What on Earth is going on in the world today? It's gone mad

[Kieran]

Not a genocide.

Don't kill 22,000 children. Don't kill hundreds of journalists. Don't deliberately target civilians (I'm sure you missed Israeli soldier's testimony about the atrocities since being willfully aloof is a great get out of jail free card for you). Don't have attack dogs rape Palestinian detainees. Don't use sexual violence as a weapon. Don't torture Palestinian civilians without due process and send them back unrecognizable. Don't harvest organs for your organ trade (I'm sure you haven't heard of that either). Don't literally level every building in Gaza (I'm sure there's a Hamas member in every building in Gaza though...human shields!). I don't know man. Any of the above would have been nice.

So no, bigotry against Arab is not your not-so-veiled racist comment about expectations. Bigotry against Arabs is when you're indifferent towards, or worse yet, believe any of the above is justified.

Thanks for the reply, but you’ve avoided a couple of things here. First, I asked you a question at the top, and you didn’t answer it. Secondly, you’ve once again repeated the dog story without showing me where the NYT and the UN “verified it.” I haven’t found anywhere that this is verified.

Can you answer to these two, please?

 

[brokenshoelace]

Thanks for the reply, but you’ve avoided a couple of things here. First, I asked you a question at the top, and you didn’t answer it. Secondly, you’ve once again repeated the dog story without showing me where the NYT and the UN “verified it.” I haven’t found anywhere that this is verified.

Can you answer to these two, please?

I've answered the human shield part. I'm saying when Gaza literally looks like this:



the "human shield" justification falls on its face.

Meanwhile, could you please answer ANYTHING regarding everything Israel has been credibly accused of, with videos and all? You latch on to the dog story because you can claim skepticism.

Did you tackle any of the other claims? Just one?

 

[brokenshoelace]

Opinion | 65 Doctors, Nurses and Paramedics: What We Saw in Gaza (Published 2024)

“Nearly every day I was there, I saw a new young child who had been shot in the head or the chest, virtually all of whom went on to die.”

www.nytimes.com

‘Not a normal war’: doctors say children have been targeted by Israeli snipers in Gaza

IDF says it ‘completely rejects’ charge that its soldiers deliberately fired on any of the thousands of civilians killed in Israeli offensive

www.theguardian.com

You plan on answering this @Kieran ?

What about this?

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/torture-and-mistreatment-ohchr-pr-31jul24/

This?

Israeli lawmaker defends alleged rape of Hamas prisoner as far-right protesters rage over IDF troops' detention

Far-right Israelis try to storm military base and lawmaker defends rape of Hamas suspects as 9 IDF reservists face questioning over alleged prisoner abuse.

www.cbsnews.com

Do you plan on saying anything about Israel killing 200 Palestinians in Gaza before October 7? I mean if a genocide is an okay response to October 7, shouldn't your logic be that October 7 is an okay response to the killing of 200 Palestinians in times of "peace"?

It's funny, you feel entitled to ask questions but fail to answer anything directed at you. It's like Arabs need to justify why killing them is wrong. You even make insane statements like "the genocide isn't the worst thing happening in the world" when in fact, it's not like you've shown anything resembling courage to actually tackle whatever other atrocities you seem to be referring to which are supposedly worse (now that's whataboutism)... except of course if someone was mean to a Jewish lady. Now that, you talk about. I'm sure nothing worse is happening in the world.

My brother, we've been here a very long enough. Whenever you get uncomfortable, you bob, weave, dodge and evade...and that was about Pete Sampras. I'm not expecting a less spineless approach here.

 

[Kieran]

Do you plan on

No, I feel very comfortable, actually, and I’d like you to answer the dog and the human shield thing. And then let’s see how we go from there. Because there’s always somewhere to go.

I can’t find any verification for the dog accusation, you say the UN and the NYT verified it, so that one should be simple.

And did Hamas use civilians as a human shield?

 

[Murat B.]

A complete strawman that again, attempts to side step every criticism of Israel, fails to tackle the genocide, the fascist ideology, how common place the genocidal language is, etc...

Almost all of media being pro Palestine is the joke of the year. Props big guy.

Any argument that makes you uncomfortable is a straw man? Tell me how what I said about Hamas's tactics are wrong. And tell me what was the purpose of the October 7 attacks?

As for media, I will trust what I see and hear more than what you tell me I should, thank you very much.

Disproportional loss of life no matter how many , or even proven war crimes do not mean genocide. Genocide has a specific definition. South Africa is currently trying to get that resolution passed at the International Court of Justice but no decision so far. Israel's aim has never been to eradicate the region from Palestinians or Islam or Arabs. They want to eradicate Hamas. If genocide was the aim, they would have started with their own Muslim and Arab citizens, approaching 2 million, which is much easier than dealing with the ones in Gaza. Why aren't those people being exterminated? Just put them in trains, gas them somewhere....I mean, Israel knows where they all live. Answer please. When Germans exterminated Jews , they did not spare the ones that lived in Germany , did they? THAT was a genocide. When the Ottomans made the Armenians march to their deaths, they did not discriminate which Armenian lived where, did they? Am I strawmanning again?

Speaking of genocide, would explicitly stating your goal and the purpose of your existence being getting rid of the Jewish state and all of the jews in it qualify for a genocidal ideology , in your unbiased, expert opinion?

 

[britbox]

I have a question @britbox .

Of all the "ideas" that came out of the western acidemia and trickled down to some part of the western society in the last 20 years or so, which ones do you embrace personally? I cannot list all of those obviously but some examples would be Rejection of Meritocracy (DEI), Cultural Relativism, Social Constructivism, Postmodernism, Identity Politics, Victimhood, Climate Alarmism ( as in the world will end in the next 10 years)), Rejection of Objective Truths, Gender Issues ( You are what you say you are, biology is a social construct), Grievance Studies, Critical Race Theory etc...

I don't subscribe to any of the ones you've listed.

 

[Federberg]

Any argument that makes you uncomfortable is a straw man? Tell me how what I said about Hamas's tactics are wrong. And tell me what was the purpose of the October 7 attacks?

As for media, I will trust what I see and hear more than what you tell me I should, thank you very much.

Disproportional loss of life no matter how many , or even proven war crimes do not mean genocide. Genocide has a specific definition. South Africa is currently trying to get that resolution passed at the International Court of Justice but no decision so far. Israel's aim has never been to eradicate the region from Palestinians or Islam or Arabs. They want to eradicate Hamas. If genocide was the aim, they would have started with their own Muslim and Arab citizens, approaching 2 million, which is much easier than dealing with the ones in Gaza. Why aren't those people being exterminated? Just put them in trains, gas them somewhere....I mean, Israel knows where they all live. Answer please. When Germans exterminated Jews , they did not spare the ones that lived in Germany , did they? THAT was a genocide. When the Ottomans made the Armenians march to their deaths, they did not discriminate which Armenian lived where, did they? Am I strawmanning again?

Speaking of genocide, would explicitly stating your goal and the purpose of your existence being getting rid of the Jewish state and all of the jews in it qualify for a genocidal ideology , in your unbiased, expert opinion?

what's your thinking regarding the settler attacks on Palestinian spaces? And do you believe that at least some of the most right wing parties clearly have expansionist desires? I'm in agreement with you regarding the right of Israel to exist, and to defend themselves against attacks. But can't deny the fact that settlers building on Palestinian lands is at the least a provocation. To me this situation is fiendishly complicated. I might not be a Trump fan, but it seems to me he's actually stumbled on the most practical solution in terms of getting other Arab states to police a future Palestinian state and protect the peace. I'm not saying it would work but I'm damned if I can think of an alternative that has the potential to work

 

[brokenshoelace]

No, I feel very comfortable, actually, and I’d like you to answer the dog and the human shield thing.

And I'd like you to go fuck yourself, you old miserable cunt.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Any argument that makes you uncomfortable is a straw man? Tell me how what I said about Hamas's tactics are wrong. And tell me what was the purpose of the October 7 attacks?

As for media, I will trust what I see and hear more than what you tell me I should, thank you very much.

Disproportional loss of life no matter how many , or even proven war crimes do not mean genocide. Genocide has a specific definition. South Africa is currently trying to get that resolution passed at the International Court of Justice but no decision so far. Israel's aim has never been to eradicate the region from Palestinians or Islam or Arabs. They want to eradicate Hamas. If genocide was the aim, they would have started with their own Muslim and Arab citizens, approaching 2 million, which is much easier than dealing with the ones in Gaza. Why aren't those people being exterminated? Just put them in trains, gas them somewhere....I mean, Israel knows where they all live. Answer please. When Germans exterminated Jews , they did not spare the ones that lived in Germany , did they? THAT was a genocide. When the Ottomans made the Armenians march to their deaths, they did not discriminate which Armenian lived where, did they? Am I strawmanning again?

Speaking of genocide, would explicitly stating your goal and the purpose of your existence being getting rid of the Jewish state and all of the jews in it qualify for a genocidal ideology , in your unbiased, expert opinion?

No you dumb fat fuck. It's a strawman because an Israeli politician, like many other Israeli politicians, wanting to burn down Lebanon because 4 Israeli invading soldiers were killed on Lebanese soil, has nothing to do with the Hamas charter, yet you resorted to that, because you're too stupidly brainwashed to even dare think about the implications of such genocidal language. That's the strawman. Perhaps you need to look that up in dictionary after you finish reading up on the definition of Zionism.



^^^^ Nope, forced displacement and ethnic cleansing is in no way genocidal. You're right. Just eradicating Hamas.

Honestly, I'd mention how insanely dumb the above is, like truly, shockingly stupid, even by your standards. Every single war crime Israel has committed is in direct contradiction to "eradicating Hamas," and when I gave you a full post of said war crimes, you pretended to be upset about the word "fuckhead" (pretty odd for an anti-woke tough guy to get their feelings hurt by a word. And I thought lefties were the snowflakes). But really, by the end, you mentioned that you received military training. That's all I need to know. An indoctrinated, shockingly uninformed miserable Western fat fuck who's too miserably and hopelessly stupid to realize that you guys have won.

I love that Israel/US drop a bomb on a school in day 1 of the Iranian war, killing 140 kids, and not one of you a) care or think that b) using your same dumb logic, this should call for the eradication of Israel/US, especially as they were the first to strike. You see it's not terrorism when it's the military doing it.

I'm tired of explaining why we don't deserve to die so you can feel safe halfway across the world. Enjoy your paranoia. I hope those evil immigrants don't take the country from you. And I'm truly tired of having to pretend like being angry about thousands dying around me is worse than you getting your feelings hurt because someone who's enduring this every day called you mean names as you sit there miles away and cheerlead Arabs dying every day. So yeah, fuck you.

I'm out.

 

[Kieran]

And I'd like you to go fuck yourself, you old miserable cunt.

As it is with me waiting for you to politely reply, we don’t always get what we’d like…

 

[Murat B.]

No you dumb fat fuck. It's a strawman because an Israeli politician, like many other Israeli politicians, wanting to burn down Lebanon because 4 Israeli invading soldiers were killed on Lebanese soil, has nothing to do with the Hamas charter, yet you resorted to that, because you're too stupidly brainwashed to even dare think about the implications of such genocidal language. That's the strawman. Perhaps you need to look that up in dictionary after you finish reading up on the definition of Zionism.



^^^^ Nope, forced displacement and ethnic cleansing is in no way genocidal. You're right. Just eradicating Hamas.

Honestly, I'd mention how insanely dumb the above is, like truly, shockingly stupid, even by your standards. Every single war crime Israel has committed is in direct contradiction to "eradicating Hamas," and when I gave you a full post of said war crimes, you pretended to be upset about the word "fuckhead" (pretty odd for an anti-woke tough guy to get their feelings hurt by a word. And I thought lefties were the snowflakes). But really, by the end, you mentioned that you received military training. That's all I need to know. An indoctrinated, shockingly uninformed miserable Western fat fuck who's too miserably and hopelessly stupid to realize that you guys have won.

I love that Israel/US drop a bomb on a school in day 1 of the Iranian war, killing 140 kids, and not one of you a) care or think that b) using your same dumb logic, this should call for the eradication of Israel/US, especially as they were the first to strike. You see it's not terrorism when it's the military doing it.

I'm tired of explaining why we don't deserve to die so you can feel safe halfway across the world. Enjoy your paranoia. I hope those evil immigrants don't take the country from you. And I'm truly tired of having to pretend like being angry about thousands dying around me is worse than you getting your feelings hurt because someone who's enduring this every day called you mean names as you sit there miles away and cheerlead Arabs dying every day. So yeah, fuck you.

I'm out.

Got you .

 

[Federberg]

No you dumb fat fuck. It's a strawman because an Israeli politician, like many other Israeli politicians, wanting to burn down Lebanon because 4 Israeli invading soldiers were killed on Lebanese soil, has nothing to do with the Hamas charter, yet you resorted to that, because you're too stupidly brainwashed to even dare think about the implications of such genocidal language. That's the strawman. Perhaps you need to look that up in dictionary after you finish reading up on the definition of Zionism.



^^^^ Nope, forced displacement and ethnic cleansing is in no way genocidal. You're right. Just eradicating Hamas.

Honestly, I'd mention how insanely dumb the above is, like truly, shockingly stupid, even by your standards. Every single war crime Israel has committed is in direct contradiction to "eradicating Hamas," and when I gave you a full post of said war crimes, you pretended to be upset about the word "fuckhead" (pretty odd for an anti-woke tough guy to get their feelings hurt by a word. And I thought lefties were the snowflakes). But really, by the end, you mentioned that you received military training. That's all I need to know. An indoctrinated, shockingly uninformed miserable Western fat fuck who's too miserably and hopelessly stupid to realize that you guys have won.

I love that Israel/US drop a bomb on a school in day 1 of the Iranian war, killing 140 kids, and not one of you a) care or think that b) using your same dumb logic, this should call for the eradication of Israel/US, especially as they were the first to strike. You see it's not terrorism when it's the military doing it.

I'm tired of explaining why we don't deserve to die so you can feel safe halfway across the world. Enjoy your paranoia. I hope those evil immigrants don't take the country from you. And I'm truly tired of having to pretend like being angry about thousands dying around me is worse than you getting your feelings hurt because someone who's enduring this every day called you mean names as you sit there miles away and cheerlead Arabs dying every day. So yeah, fuck you.

I'm out.

how do you know he's fat?

 

[Murat B.]

how do you know he's fat?

Dude...he said he is out ! No need to poke him anymore.

 

[Kieran]

This really irritates me and is an example of what I’ve been talking about: anti-semitism was always simmering below the surface of these demonising “protests” and now it’s explicitly and violently being paraded in public.

In front of totally disinterested cops.

This is why I challenged the rapist dogs slur. It’s just yet another blood libel that will be hurled against Jews on the street, the metro, the supermarket, outside the synagogues.

I have to post this short reel as a link, for whatever reason my phone won’t allow me to post it the usual way:

https://www.instagram.com/stories/burntoakboy/3923885997062695666?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igsh=MXM5bnNwdmk4OTh5NQ==

 

[Federberg]

This really irritates me and is an example of what I’ve been talking about: anti-semitism was always simmering below the surface of these demonising “protests” and now it’s explicitly and violently being paraded in public.

In front of totally disinterested cops.

This is why I challenged the rapist dogs slur. It’s just yet another blood libel that will be hurled against Jews on the street, the metro, the supermarket, outside the synagogues.

I have to post this short reel as a link, for whatever reason my phone won’t allow me to post it the usual way:

https://www.instagram.com/stories/burntoakboy/3923885997062695666?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igsh=MXM5bnNwdmk4OTh5NQ==

that's crazy! I really don't understand the mandate the police have now. But I'm pretty sure if that guy had been shouting anti-muslim nonsense they would have stepped in. Ok.. that's speculation on my part, but we've seen that type of thing before. I don't understand how any rational person can argue that there isn't two tier policing

 

[Kieran]

that's crazy! I really don't understand the mandate the police have now. But I'm pretty sure if that guy had been shouting anti-muslim nonsense they would have stepped in. Ok.. that's speculation on my part, but we've seen that type of thing before. I don't understand how any rational person can argue that there isn't two tier policing

You’re absolutely bang on correct. And he violently threatened the chap who stood up to him, and he was violently abusive in front of his own kid, even with cops in attendance.

It’s shocking!