What on Earth is going on in the world today? It's gone mad

[Kieran]

Not a genocide.

Don't kill 22,000 children. Don't kill hundreds of journalists. Don't deliberately target civilians (I'm sure you missed Israeli soldier's testimony about the atrocities since being willfully aloof is a great get out of jail free card for you). Don't have attack dogs rape Palestinian detainees. Don't use sexual violence as a weapon. Don't torture Palestinian civilians without due process and send them back unrecognizable. Don't harvest organs for your organ trade (I'm sure you haven't heard of that either). Don't literally level every building in Gaza (I'm sure there's a Hamas member in every building in Gaza though...human shields!). I don't know man. Any of the above would have been nice.

So no, bigotry against Arab is not your not-so-veiled racist comment about expectations. Bigotry against Arabs is when you're indifferent towards, or worse yet, believe any of the above is justified.

Thanks for the reply, but you’ve avoided a couple of things here. First, I asked you a question at the top, and you didn’t answer it. Secondly, you’ve once again repeated the dog story without showing me where the NYT and the UN “verified it.” I haven’t found anywhere that this is verified.

Can you answer to these two, please?

 

[brokenshoelace]

Thanks for the reply, but you’ve avoided a couple of things here. First, I asked you a question at the top, and you didn’t answer it. Secondly, you’ve once again repeated the dog story without showing me where the NYT and the UN “verified it.” I haven’t found anywhere that this is verified.

Can you answer to these two, please?

I've answered the human shield part. I'm saying when Gaza literally looks like this:



the "human shield" justification falls on its face.

Meanwhile, could you please answer ANYTHING regarding everything Israel has been credibly accused of, with videos and all? You latch on to the dog story because you can claim skepticism.

Did you tackle any of the other claims? Just one?

 

[brokenshoelace]

Opinion | 65 Doctors, Nurses and Paramedics: What We Saw in Gaza (Published 2024)

“Nearly every day I was there, I saw a new young child who had been shot in the head or the chest, virtually all of whom went on to die.”

www.nytimes.com

‘Not a normal war’: doctors say children have been targeted by Israeli snipers in Gaza

IDF says it ‘completely rejects’ charge that its soldiers deliberately fired on any of the thousands of civilians killed in Israeli offensive

www.theguardian.com

You plan on answering this @Kieran ?

What about this?

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/torture-and-mistreatment-ohchr-pr-31jul24/

This?

Israeli lawmaker defends alleged rape of Hamas prisoner as far-right protesters rage over IDF troops' detention

Far-right Israelis try to storm military base and lawmaker defends rape of Hamas suspects as 9 IDF reservists face questioning over alleged prisoner abuse.

www.cbsnews.com

Do you plan on saying anything about Israel killing 200 Palestinians in Gaza before October 7? I mean if a genocide is an okay response to October 7, shouldn't your logic be that October 7 is an okay response to the killing of 200 Palestinians in times of "peace"?

It's funny, you feel entitled to ask questions but fail to answer anything directed at you. It's like Arabs need to justify why killing them is wrong. You even make insane statements like "the genocide isn't the worst thing happening in the world" when in fact, it's not like you've shown anything resembling courage to actually tackle whatever other atrocities you seem to be referring to which are supposedly worse (now that's whataboutism)... except of course if someone was mean to a Jewish lady. Now that, you talk about. I'm sure nothing worse is happening in the world.

My brother, we've been here a very long enough. Whenever you get uncomfortable, you bob, weave, dodge and evade...and that was about Pete Sampras. I'm not expecting a less spineless approach here.

 

[Kieran]

Do you plan on

No, I feel very comfortable, actually, and I’d like you to answer the dog and the human shield thing. And then let’s see how we go from there. Because there’s always somewhere to go.

I can’t find any verification for the dog accusation, you say the UN and the NYT verified it, so that one should be simple.

And did Hamas use civilians as a human shield?

 

[Murat B.]

A complete strawman that again, attempts to side step every criticism of Israel, fails to tackle the genocide, the fascist ideology, how common place the genocidal language is, etc...

Almost all of media being pro Palestine is the joke of the year. Props big guy.

Any argument that makes you uncomfortable is a straw man? Tell me how what I said about Hamas's tactics are wrong. And tell me what was the purpose of the October 7 attacks?

As for media, I will trust what I see and hear more than what you tell me I should, thank you very much.

Disproportional loss of life no matter how many , or even proven war crimes do not mean genocide. Genocide has a specific definition. Israel's aim has never been to eradicate the region from Palestinians or Islam or Arabs. They want to eradicate Hamas. If genocide was the aim, they would have started with their own Muslim and Arab citizens, approaching 2 million, which is much easier than dealing with the ones in Gaza. Why aren't those people being exterminated? Just put them in trains, gas them somewhere....I mean, Israel knows where they all live. Answer please. When Germans exterminated Jews , they did not spare the ones that lived in Germany , did they? THAT was a genocide. When the Ottomans made the Armenians march to their deaths, they did not discriminate which Armenian lived where, did they? Am I strawmanning again?

Speaking of genocide, would explicitly stating your goal and the purpose of your existence being getting rid of the Jewish state and all of the jews in it qualify for a genocidal ideology , in your unbiased, expert opinion?