US Politics Thread

[Murat B.]

I see you avoided the point I was making that Trumps ICE policies were racial profiling in public settings which even involved US citizens.

You really going to dispute the ICE raids/operations with armed agents interacting with the populace during the Trump administration? Even your examples of dissent involved reactions to his ICE raids/tactics.

Compare the equivalent ones in the Obama administration.

I will be waiting.

Everyone did not have cell phones and they were not recording every aid Obama did like today. Who knows what happened . Leftists were in love with him so they were not exactly following every ICE truck around like today.
And no, there is no racial profiling. It is just math. Let me ask you this: When I say 55% of all violent crimes like murder and rape are committed by 13% of the US population , which is the Black population, am I racially profiling, or am I giving you cold hard factual numbers reported by federal agencies? Same with illegal immigration. When vast majority of it happens by a certain group of people, those are the ones will be targeted.
If you want proof of what changed in the US , especially with young retarded college students, watch the video below. Orange man bad is all they know. There are tons more videos available , like people are shown Obama's detention centers and they are told it is Trump's but once they find out it is Obama's they turn violent and attack the cameras.



US is in a sad place. Kids supporting communism as if they have a fucking clue, the LGBTQ community supporting Islam as if they would survive one day under sharia law...Enemy of my enemy I guess...

 

[Federberg]

Everyone did not have cell phones and they were not recording every aid Obama did like today. Who knows what happened . Leftists were in love with him so they were not exactly following every ICE truck around like today.
And no, there is no racial profiling. It is just math. Let me ask you this: When I say 55% of all violent crimes like murder and rape are committed by 13% of the US population , which is the Black population, am I racially profiling, or am I giving you cold hard factual numbers reported by federal agencies? Same with illegal immigration. When vast majority of it happens by a certain group of people, those are the ones will be targeted.
If you want proof of what changed in the US , especially with young retarded college students, watch the video below. Orange man bad is all they know. There are tons more videos available , like people are shown Obama's detention centers and they are told it is Trump's but once they find out it is Obama's they turn violent and attack the cameras.



US is in a sad place. Kids supporting communism as if they have a fucking clue, the LGBTQ community supporting Islam as if they would survive one day under sharia law...Enemy of my enemy I guess...

come on mate. I don't understand the need for partisanship for something like this. There's a clear distinction between how Obama and Trump have dealt with illegal immigration. This is the sort of discourse that makes the free exchange of ideas difficult. There should be some basic facts that are acceptable to all

Also, just to introduce facts into the debate. Between 2015 - 2025, in the United States...

Black males committed (as measured by law enforcement arrests) approximately 29% to 31% of total violent crimes nationwide. [1, 2, 3]

An absurdly high proportion for sure. But let's not take that and spin some hyperbolic statistics

 

[Murat B.]

come on mate. I don't understand the need for partisanship for something like this. There's a clear distinction between how Obama and Trump have dealt with illegal immigration. This is the sort of discourse that makes the free exchange of ideas difficult. There should be some basic facts that are acceptable to all

Also, just to introduce facts into the debate. Between 2015 - 2025, in the United States...

Black males committed (as measured by law enforcement arrests) approximately 29% to 31% of total violent crimes nationwide. [1, 2, 3]

An absurdly high proportion for sure. But let's not take that and spin some hyperbolic statistics

These are FBI numbers:

• 
  
• • Murder / Homicide Arrests: Black individuals account for roughly 51.2% to 52.0% of arrests for murder and nonnegligent manslaughter.
  • Robbery Arrests: Black individuals account for approximately 52.7% of arrests for robbery.
    
    I am not making stuff up. And the point remains. I am not racial profiling. The numbers are what they are. That is the main point.
    If you don't like that example, here is a positive one: National Center for Education Statistics shows that Asian 18- to 24-year-olds maintain higher college enrollment rates (61%) than White (41%), Black (36%), and multi-racial peers. Am I racially profiling? Am I calling other races stupid ? No Numbers are numbers. Same with immigration.
    
    Here are some numbers from Obama's deportations:
    • Latino/Hispanic Majority: Nearly 97% of deportees under the Obama administration were from the Americas (predominantly Mexico and Central American countries), with Hispanic and Latino individuals making up the vast majority of those removed. [1, 2]
    • Gender and Demographic Skews: Roughly 90% of those deported during the administration were men, and Black and Latino men experienced disproportionately high rates of enforcement relative to their overall share of the noncitizen population. [1]
      • Nationalities / Region of Origin: Over 90% of deportees originated from countries in the Western Hemisphere (the Americas), as documented in analyses by the Migration Policy Institute and reports covered via Independent. [1, 2, 3]
        
        97% Hispanic and Latinos? That fucking racist scumbag !
        Or...maybe it is because that is where the southern border opens to ! Why is that so hard to understand?
        One other number from the good old Obama days: According to data cited by NCBI / PMC, roughly 500,000 parents of U.S.-citizen children were deported between 2009 and 2015. [1]....Sounds awfully like parent/child separation to me, correct me if I am wrong there.
        
    
    
    I am not understanding what is partisan about what I am showing you guys. You have absolutely no idea about how Obama dealt with immigration. NONE. Why? Because his people were not followed to every single raid like Trump's and he did not have sanctuary cities and he did not have mayors and police chiefs in cities that ordered their people NOT to cooperate with ICE. He did not have activist judges sneaking people out of court houses. He did not have all of universities, major media outlets, Hollywood and all of the sports leagues AGAINST him like the orange one. Why is this so difficult to comprehend? He did not have land acknowledgements before every fucking major event.
    
    Yet you show one picture of his detention centers to college students, automatically they assume it is Trump's.

 

[Jelenafan]

These are FBI numbers:

• 
  
• • Murder / Homicide Arrests: Black individuals account for roughly 51.2% to 52.0% of arrests for murder and nonnegligent manslaughter.
  • Robbery Arrests: Black individuals account for approximately 52.7% of arrests for robbery.
    
    I am not making stuff up. And the point remains. I am not racial profiling. The numbers are what they are. That is the main point.
    If you don't like that example, here is a positive one: National Center for Education Statistics shows that Asian 18- to 24-year-olds maintain higher college enrollment rates (61%) than White (41%), Black (36%), and multi-racial peers. Am I racially profiling? Am I calling other races stupid ? No Numbers are numbers. Same with immigration.
    
    Here are some numbers from Obama's deportations:
    • Latino/Hispanic Majority: Nearly 97% of deportees under the Obama administration were from the Americas (predominantly Mexico and Central American countries), with Hispanic and Latino individuals making up the vast majority of those removed. [1, 2]
    • Gender and Demographic Skews: Roughly 90% of those deported during the administration were men, and Black and Latino men experienced disproportionately high rates of enforcement relative to their overall share of the noncitizen population. [1]
      • Nationalities / Region of Origin: Over 90% of deportees originated from countries in the Western Hemisphere (the Americas), as documented in analyses by the Migration Policy Institute and reports covered via Independent. [1, 2, 3]
        
        97% Hispanic and Latinos? That fucking racist scumbag !
        Or...maybe it is because that is where the southern border opens to ! Why is that so hard to understand?
        One other number from the good old Obama days: According to data cited by NCBI / PMC, roughly 500,000 parents of U.S.-citizen children were deported between 2009 and 2015. [1]....Sounds awfully like parent/child separation to me, correct me if I am wrong there.
    
    
    I am not understanding what is partisan about what I am showing you guys. You have absolutely no idea about how Obama dealt with immigration. NONE. Why? Because his people were not followed to every single raid like Trump's and he did not have sanctuary cities and he did not have mayors and police chiefs in cities that ordered their people NOT to cooperate with ICE. He did not have activist judges sneaking people out of court houses. He did not have all of universities, major media outlets, Hollywood and all of the sports leagues AGAINST him like the orange one. Why is this so difficult to comprehend? He did not have land acknowledgements before every fucking major event.
    
    Yet you show one picture of his detention centers to college students, automatically they assume it is Trump's.

I suppose Texas turning Blue had absolutely nothing to do with Hispanic reaction to ICE policy within Texas. To turn conservative Hispanics who are alarmed with illegal immigration against your party due to high profile public ICE raids was abysmally stupid, but MAGA did it regardless.

BTW since when were cell phones/mobiles not available during the Obama era?

But to your point as to who was deported:, here are the numbers and deportations vs removals, etc.

The Obama Record on Deportations: Deporter in Chief or Not?

President Barack Obama's deportation record was more nuanced than critics claimed, focusing on criminals and recent border crossers while reducing removals of long-settled immigrants.

www.migrationpolicy.org

Excerpt:

In November 2014, President Obama announced a number of further changes in immigration enforcement, including agencywide policy guidance on which categories of removable noncitizens should be the highest priority for enforcement. Three levels were detailed:

• Priority 1: National security threats, noncitizens apprehended immediately at the border, gang members, and noncitizens convicted of felonies or aggravated felonies as defined in immigration law.
• Priority 2: Noncitizens convicted of three or more misdemeanors or one serious misdemeanor, those who entered or re-entered the United States unlawfully after January 1, 2014, and those who have significantly abused visa or visa waiver programs.
• Priority 3: Noncitizens subject to a final order of removal issued on or after January 1, 2014

You seem oblivious that those with criminal records and immigration violations were targeted, so yes, those with a checkered past were identified.

Under Obama law enforcement agencies cooperated that those in custody or detained for criminal activities who were undocumented.

Also Obama’s deportation numbers included deportations at the entry point of coming into the country, IE those trying to illegally enter the country, which is a criminal act, were deported.

Goodness knows I think the Obama approach had some flaws/deficiencies but it clearly tried to focus on those who it deemed a danger to public safety.

The Trump Administration clearly did no do so. People, for example, who were petitioning for legal status through the system & rejected/denied at the courthouse were being detained at the courthouse by ICE agents.

Why is that so difficult for you to grasp that difference in the Administrations?

 

[Murat B.]

I suppose Texas turning Blue had absolutely nothing to do with Hispanic reaction to ICE policy within Texas. To turn conservative Hispanics who are alarmed with illegal immigration against your party due to high profile public ICE raids was abysmally stupid, but MAGA did it regardless.

BTW since when were cell phones/mobiles not available during the Obama era?

But to your point as to who was deported:, here are the numbers and deportations vs removals, etc.

The Obama Record on Deportations: Deporter in Chief or Not?

President Barack Obama's deportation record was more nuanced than critics claimed, focusing on criminals and recent border crossers while reducing removals of long-settled immigrants.

www.migrationpolicy.org

Excerpt:


You seem oblivious that those with criminal records and immigration violations were targeted, so yes, those with a checkered past were identified.

Why is that so difficult for you to grasp that difference ?

Texas shows you that what Homan and the administration is doing is above politics. If they were worried about the things you mentioned ( like most leftists without any principles do) they would not do anything in Texas and keep the Hispanic vote. They did not do that. They made a promise to clean up, and let the ch[ps fall where they may. I know THAT is a concept leftists will never understand, as they will do anything for votes, pander to jihadists, communists, look for people with same names as their rival on the ballot hoping they steal a couple extra votes. Oh, it worked by the way. Who knew...
Homan also said a million times that people with criminal records were going to be targeted first. They have deported close to 200.000 people with criminal records. That is a lot of criminals don't you think? And their position, which I agree wholeheartedly, that if you enter a country illegally, you are a criminal to begin with. But even putting that aside, 200.000 criminals? Not everyone that enter US illegally commit additional crimes you know...You have to start somewhere.

 

[Jelenafan]

Texas shows you that what Homan and the administration is doing is above politics. If they were worried about the things you mentioned ( like most leftists without any principles do) they would not do anything in Texas and keep the Hispanic vote. They did not do that. They made a promise to clean up, and let the ch[ps fall where they may. I know THAT is a concept leftists will never understand, as they will do anything for votes, pander to jihadists, communists, look for people with same names as their rival on the ballot hoping they steal a couple extra votes. Oh, it worked by the way. Who knew...
Homan also said a million times that people with criminal records were going to be targeted first. They have deported close to 200.000 people with criminal records. That is a lot of criminals don't you think? And their position, which I agree wholeheartedly, that if you enter a country illegally, you are a criminal to begin with. But even putting that aside, 200.000 criminals? Not everyone that enter US illegally commit additional crimes you know...You have to start somewhere.

For goodness sake, buddy you just lost me.

Pandering for votes & jetssoning your principles is not the sole parameter or accusation toward/of leftists as you claim, the Right, the Moderates, the Centrists are all guilty of this, It’s called politics.

But whatever, I’m not going to argue the moral high ground as no political stripe has possession of that, LOL.

 

[Murat B.]

For goodness sake, buddy you just lost me.

Pandering for votes & jetssoning your principles is not the sole parameter or accusation toward/of leftists as you claim, the Right, the Moderates, the Centrists are all guilty of this, It’s called politics.

But whatever, I’m not going to argue the moral high ground as no political stripe has possession of that, LOL.

That I agree with actually, so there you go.
Put everything I said aside, just keep the one basic point I made: The times are vastly different between Obama's time and the ultra woke Trump times, and the love Obama had from almost everyone and the hate Trump gets from everyone affects everything, including how immigration laws are implemented and perceived. That's all.

 

[Murat B.]

I used to like Chapell...This is just beyond the pale.

 

[Kieran]

That I agree with actually, so there you go.
Put everything I said aside, just keep the one basic point I made: The times are vastly different between Obama's time and the ultra woke Trump times, and the love Obama had from almost everyone and the hate Trump gets from everyone affects everything, including how immigration laws are implemented and perceived. That's all.

Wouldn’t it be great if every politician in the western world woke up tomoro with collective amnesia and had to figure out their policies from scratch, just by thinking independently and asking questions, rather than by reading polls or listening to party hacks, but asking what’s the issue that negatively affects the most vulnerable people, and what can I actually do about it? Bubba was right for once, and for all time: it’s the economy, stupid.

 

[Jelenafan]

Trump says deportations were ‘too tough’ and hurt him during the midterms

The president said in an interview with CBS’ “60 Minutes” that he would like to work out a deal with Democrats on immigration.

www.nbcnews.com

From 60 minutes aired earlier tonight:

President Donald Trump conceded that his immigration policies were “too tough,” saying in an interview on CBS’ “60 Minutes” that aired Sunday that mass deportations hurt him during the midterm elections.

Trump said his policies had been overly harsh in removing undocumented immigrants who hadn’t committed crimes.
“I get hurt because we also took people that had good jobs, that created one violation, or breaking of the law, and that was that they came into the country illegally,” Trump said in the interview, which was recorded Friday.

He added that “a large group of people” think immigrants who are “good people, working in a landscaping company or working in a hotel or doing something ... and, in some cases, paying taxes,” should be “allowed to stay.”

Trump pointed to immigration as one of the areas in which he wanted to work with Democrats, saying yes when he was asked whether a deal could look like the creation of legal status for undocumented workers.

He said, however, that people “on the sort of pretty far right ... would like everybody taken out,” saying some of them were in his administration.