US Politics Thread

[Murat B.]

I see you avoided the point I was making that Trumps ICE policies were racial profiling in public settings which even involved US citizens.

You really going to dispute the ICE raids/operations with armed agents interacting with the populace during the Trump administration? Even your examples of dissent involved reactions to his ICE raids/tactics.

Compare the equivalent ones in the Obama administration.

I will be waiting.

Everyone did not have cell phones and they were not recording every aid Obama did like today. Who knows what happened . Leftists were in love with him so they were not exactly following every ICE truck around like today.
And no, there is no racial profiling. It is just math. Let me ask you this: When I say 55% of all violent crimes like murder and rape are committed by 13% of the US population , which is the Black population, am I racially profiling, or am I giving you cold hard factual numbers reported by federal agencies? Same with illegal immigration. When vast majority of it happens by a certain group of people, those are the ones will be targeted.
If you want proof of what changed in the US , especially with young retarded college students, watch the video below. Orange man bad is all they know. There are tons more videos available , like people are shown Obama's detention centers and they are told it is Trump's but once they find out it is Obama's they turn violent and attack the cameras.



US is in a sad place. Kids supporting communism as if they have a fucking clue, the LGBTQ community supporting Islam as if they would survive one day under sharia law...Enemy of my enemy I guess...

 

[Federberg]

Everyone did not have cell phones and they were not recording every aid Obama did like today. Who knows what happened . Leftists were in love with him so they were not exactly following every ICE truck around like today.
And no, there is no racial profiling. It is just math. Let me ask you this: When I say 55% of all violent crimes like murder and rape are committed by 13% of the US population , which is the Black population, am I racially profiling, or am I giving you cold hard factual numbers reported by federal agencies? Same with illegal immigration. When vast majority of it happens by a certain group of people, those are the ones will be targeted.
If you want proof of what changed in the US , especially with young retarded college students, watch the video below. Orange man bad is all they know. There are tons more videos available , like people are shown Obama's detention centers and they are told it is Trump's but once they find out it is Obama's they turn violent and attack the cameras.



US is in a sad place. Kids supporting communism as if they have a fucking clue, the LGBTQ community supporting Islam as if they would survive one day under sharia law...Enemy of my enemy I guess...

come on mate. I don't understand the need for partisanship for something like this. There's a clear distinction between how Obama and Trump have dealt with illegal immigration. This is the sort of discourse that makes the free exchange of ideas difficult. There should be some basic facts that are acceptable to all

Also, just to introduce facts into the debate. Between 2015 - 2025, in the United States...

Black males committed (as measured by law enforcement arrests) approximately 29% to 31% of total violent crimes nationwide. [1, 2, 3]

An absurdly high proportion for sure. But let's not take that and spin some hyperbolic statistics

 

[Murat B.]

come on mate. I don't understand the need for partisanship for something like this. There's a clear distinction between how Obama and Trump have dealt with illegal immigration. This is the sort of discourse that makes the free exchange of ideas difficult. There should be some basic facts that are acceptable to all

Also, just to introduce facts into the debate. Between 2015 - 2025, in the United States...

Black males committed (as measured by law enforcement arrests) approximately 29% to 31% of total violent crimes nationwide. [1, 2, 3]

An absurdly high proportion for sure. But let's not take that and spin some hyperbolic statistics

These are FBI numbers:

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• • Murder / Homicide Arrests: Black individuals account for roughly 51.2% to 52.0% of arrests for murder and nonnegligent manslaughter.
  • Robbery Arrests: Black individuals account for approximately 52.7% of arrests for robbery.
    
    I am not making stuff up. And the point remains. I am not racial profiling. The numbers are what they are. That is the main point.
    If you don't like that example, here is a positive one: National Center for Education Statistics shows that Asian 18- to 24-year-olds maintain higher college enrollment rates (61%) than White (41%), Black (36%), and multi-racial peers. Am I racially profiling? Am I calling other races stupid ? No Numbers are numbers. Same with immigration.
    
    Here are some numbers from Obama's deportations:
    • Latino/Hispanic Majority: Nearly 97% of deportees under the Obama administration were from the Americas (predominantly Mexico and Central American countries), with Hispanic and Latino individuals making up the vast majority of those removed. [1, 2]
    • Gender and Demographic Skews: Roughly 90% of those deported during the administration were men, and Black and Latino men experienced disproportionately high rates of enforcement relative to their overall share of the noncitizen population. [1]
      • Nationalities / Region of Origin: Over 90% of deportees originated from countries in the Western Hemisphere (the Americas), as documented in analyses by the Migration Policy Institute and reports covered via Independent. [1, 2, 3]
        
        97% Hispanic and Latinos? That fucking racist scumbag !
        Or...maybe it is because that is where the southern border opens to ! Why is that so hard to understand?
        One other number from the good old Obama days: According to data cited by NCBI / PMC, roughly 500,000 parents of U.S.-citizen children were deported between 2009 and 2015. [1]....Sounds awfully like parent/child separation to me, correct me if I am wrong there.
        
    
    
    I am not understanding what is partisan about what I am showing you guys. You have absolutely no idea about how Obama dealt with immigration. NONE. Why? Because his people were not followed to every single raid like Trump's and he did not have sanctuary cities and he did not have mayors and police chiefs in cities that ordered their people NOT to cooperate with ICE. He did not have activist judges sneaking people out of court houses. He did not have all of universities, major media outlets, Hollywood and all of the sports leagues AGAINST him like the orange one. Why is this so difficult to comprehend? He did not have land acknowledgements before every fucking major event.
    
    Yet you show one picture of his detention centers to college students, automatically they assume it is Trump's.