2025 French Open Men's Final: Yannik Sinner vs. Carlos Alcaraz

[Front242]

I'd like to see Draper do well alright but his fitness is a bit suss unless he keeps winning his matches easily.

 

[PhiEaglesfan712]

No, I meant he has 5 slams to Sinner's 2 and soon to be 6-2 I reckon. Can't see anyone beating Alcaraz at Wimbledon. Sinner just took a huge mental beating and Alcaraz got a massive confidence boost coming back from the brink of death saving those 3 match points.

5-0 in finals is unreal alright but not the stat I was pointing out. If it pans out he wins Wimbledon, I stand by what I said with leagues ahead and that Alcaraz will end up with way more slams barring injury.

Sinner has 3. Don't forget about the Medvedev choke at the 2024 AO. (I know it doesn't fit the narrative that Sinner can't win 5-set matches, but believe me, he came back from a 2-set deficit to win his first slam title.)

I like Djokovic's chances at Wimbledon. He's been there and done that. Plus, he comes into healthy and playing his best tennis of the season. You couldn't say that last year, when he was injured at the French Open, and despite that, still made the final.

 

[Moxie]

I like Djokovic's chances at Wimbledon. He's been there and done that. Plus, he comes into healthy and playing his best tennis of the season. You couldn't say that last year, when he was injured at the French Open, and despite that, still made the final.

Really? You keep campaigning for the notion that Novak is still in the game. He's not interested in making SFs and Fs, if he's not winning the big prize. You think he can get past Carlos or Jannick, or both, at Wimbledon, this year, or do you think he gets lucky, and someone takes them both out early?

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Really? You keep campaigning for the notion that Novak is still in the game. He's not interested in making SFs and Fs, if he's not winning the big prize. You think he can get past Carlos or Jannick, or both, at Wimbledon, this year, or do you think he gets lucky, and someone takes them both out early?

I cannot sleep still wound up,
BTW I think Phil is on Novak's pay roll lol!

 

[Jelenafan]

Jannik did a lot better in the 5th set then I expected, which was more like an easy 6-3. Again, the margins are really thin on clay, thinner than on hards. Wimbledon will be grand.

It doesn’t matter IMO how closely someone lost.

Either Sinner (age 23) or Alcaraz (22) could continue to improve or regress, so you can’t project going forward that Sinner will get the better of Alcaraz next time because he was that close this time.

The bigger issue is Alcaraz winning his 3rd 5 set match in a Major versus Sinner gives him the mental edge in future battles, especially because he’s now won 5 in a now in their head2head.

The thing with Alcaraz is he’s no slouch on hard courts, if he can manage his schedule AND not get upset in an early round I like his chances versus Sinner on any surface. He’s actually beaten Sinner in their last 2 HC meetings.

 

[Jelenafan]

I agree with ElDude regarding choking:

Sinner tonight:

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I agree with ElDude regarding choking:

Sinner tonight:

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I am not surprised with your comment carry on!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

At the end of the day I feel Tennis Won, it was a match between the 2 top players and a battle royale between Carlos and Jannik, in ways it was a pity someone had to lose, in the end Carlos proved too strong mentally and physically, all praise to him winning the hardest GS to win clay

 

[Jelenafan]

The thing about Alcaraz is that he seems to be still improving on red clay and just turned 22, so it’s crazy to think he has already defended two different slams ( 23, 24 W, 24,25 FO) at such a young age.

 

[PhiEaglesfan712]

Really? You keep campaigning for the notion that Novak is still in the game. He's not interested in making SFs and Fs, if he's not winning the big prize. You think he can get past Carlos or Jannick, or both, at Wimbledon, this year, or do you think he gets lucky, and someone takes them both out early?

I'm not counting out the guy that's been to the last 6 Wimbledon finals, winning 4 of them. I still trust Novak more than Jannik at Wimbledon. I know that Novak has been there and done that many times over, whereas Jannik has never had to face the pressure of Wimbledon. It's very possible that Jannik is upset early. But even if it doesn't happen, this is the one environment where I'm taking Novak over Jannik. You saw how Jannik struggled with the pressure today closing out the match. If he can't handle that pressure, I can't see him handling the pressure at Wimbledon, an environment Jannik has never really faced before.

Carlos is the only player I have favored over Novak at Wimbledon. Carlos proved last year that he can follow-up a French Open run with another one at Wimbledon. Jannik has not proven that yet.

But even then, Carlos isn't immune to an upset at Wimbledon. If someone takes Carlos out early, Novak becomes the favorite.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I'm not counting out the guy that's been to the last 6 Wimbledon finals, winning 4 of them. I still trust Novak more than Jannik at Wimbledon. I know that Novak has been there and done that many times over, whereas Jannik has never had to face the pressure of Wimbledon. It's very possible that Jannik is upset early. But even if it doesn't happen, this is the one environment where I'm taking Novak over Jannik. You saw how Jannik struggled with the pressure today closing out the match. If he can't handle that pressure, I can't see him handling the pressure at Wimbledon, an environment Jannik has never really faced before.

Carlos is the only player I have favored over Novak at Wimbledon. Carlos proved last year that he can follow-up a French Open run with another one at Wimbledon. Jannik has not proven that yet.

But even then, Carlos isn't immune to an upset at Wimbledon. If someone takes Carlos out early, Novak becomes the favorite.

Your post is merely hypothetical for starters regarding Jannik if he can or now handle the pressure at Wimbledon for starters
Jannik being out for 3 months making the final at Rome and the final at RG a surface he is not comfortable on I feel he needs credit.
Lets face it Novak was given a very favorable draw at RG, the only tough opponent was Jannik in the SF,m his opponents before that were lowly ranked? can he received the same at Wimbledon, he will have to go through the higher seeds which he failed to do at RG, so dont count your chickens before they hatch!

 

[Vince Evert]

Jannik and Carlos' Pressers

 

[Kieran]

Difficult to say anything about this match that hasn’t been said. I never felt so tense during a match in my life, that didn’t have Bjorn, Pete or Rafa in it. Clearly the greatest ever FO final. Momentum shifts, the outcome hanging in the balance throughout, unbelievable shotmaking from both. Great strength of character. John McEnroe jumped a shark by saying they’d both beat Rafa - who never even played a fifth set in a FO final in his whole career - but you could understand the enthusiasm. We all watched something incredible.

But the fifth set tiebreak was the single greatest performance I’ve ever seen in any match of this scale. Already the match was going to be the greatest in that stadium, but Carlos in the fifth set tiebreak created his own masterpiece, something we haven’t seen from any of the greatest players of the past. It makes you reach for superlatives and dive off a cliff into pretentious withering. It was the final movement of Mozart’s final symphony, it was Sad-Eyed Lady at the end of Blonde on Blonde - it was just something that transcends the sport in a way even the Big 3 couldn’t do. When John McEnroe said that about both players beating Rafa in Paris I scoffed - except I do have to wonder how Rafa would have gotten into that tiebreak. It’s really difficult to see anyone live with that.

Carlos made “God-mode” seem like an inadequate term. There’s no way to describe it - they’d played for over five hours, they’d suffered crashing disappointments, swelling hopes they’d grab the title - then Carlitos played as if Sinner didn’t exist, as if he himself had switched off and gone someplace else, some place where he calmly and routinely played seven miraculously perfect points to obliterate his opponent, and end it all.

They asked Pete Sampras what he was thinking when he second-serve aced Agassi to win the ‘99 Wimbledon final. Pete said he was thinking nothing. Carlos may well have been in that same place, but for seven points.

It was Mozart’s fugue - but improvised in front of a crowd the size of the whole world, and with Sinner at his very best trying to stop him.

That was something we’ve never seen before, by anyone…

 

[Vince Evert]

What an awesome final we all were privileged to witness.

The top two players let their tennis do the talking for nearly 5 hours 30 mins.

There was no MTOs, no toilet breaks, no theatrics such as acting with fake injuries, no after match disrespect to the opponent, etc

It was played in such good spirit. Grand Slam tennis was the winner

 

[Vince Evert]

Interesting stat.

Total points won : Sinner, 193 - Alcaraz 192.

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[Kieran]

Sinner has 3. Don't forget about the Medvedev choke at the 2024 AO. (I know it doesn't fit the narrative that Sinner can't win 5-set matches, but believe me, he came back from a 2-set deficit to win his first slam title.)

I like Djokovic's chances at Wimbledon. He's been there and done that. Plus, he comes into healthy and playing his best tennis of the season. You couldn't say that last year, when he was injured at the French Open, and despite that, still made the final.

Medvedev had already played 3 or 4 five setters and I think was extremely fatigued in the final, but yeah, Sinner has 3 already and he operates well on the big stage.

But he’s going to have to figure out Carlos because Carlos had levels Sinner can only dream about. I wouldn’t hold it against him that he had 3 CPs, because he tried to do the right thing and didn’t execute well - that can happen - and we saw how coldly Carlos closed off that game. But the next game he was serving at 30-15 and that was his moment, on his racket.

Hard to know what he can do, but he’ll have to learn something to deal with Carlos at this level. Carlos likes playing him, and that’s not a good thing for Sinner..

 

[Kieran]

I'm not counting out the guy that's been to the last 6 Wimbledon finals, winning 4 of them. I still trust Novak more than Jannik at Wimbledon. I know that Novak has been there and done that many times over, whereas Jannik has never had to face the pressure of Wimbledon. It's very possible that Jannik is upset early. But even if it doesn't happen, this is the one environment where I'm taking Novak over Jannik. You saw how Jannik struggled with the pressure today closing out the match. If he can't handle that pressure, I can't see him handling the pressure at Wimbledon, an environment Jannik has never really faced before.

Carlos is the only player I have favored over Novak at Wimbledon. Carlos proved last year that he can follow-up a French Open run with another one at Wimbledon. Jannik has not proven that yet.

But even then, Carlos isn't immune to an upset at Wimbledon. If someone takes Carlos out early, Novak becomes the favorite.

I agree with you there, and we saw an example in the Olympics final against Carlos, one of Novaks greatest ever performances. If Novak goes deep at Wimbledon and Carlos is gone, then he’ll do everything - including cheating - to win. Nobody else has the experience at that level to stop him…

 

[Kieran]

We'll have to agree to disagree. To me "choke" is just a word, but this pretty much fits the definition...if not this, what? Jannik was up 2-0 in sets, then 2-1 with triple match point. Then he had a chance to serve it out. Alcaraz applied immense pressure, but Jannik still should have been able to hold him off.

You can tighten up, but not choke. I think he played the right way but he overhit it. It wasn’t like Rafa’s Backhand down the line from Hell, or Novak running into the net at Paris. They were straightforward manoeuvres that went wrong because both players got over excited. It wasn’t like he had a six inch putt and he took out the driver. Sinner didn’t execute well, but had good reason to over-egg his nog - Carlos is as ruthless as a wild savage under pressure. He’s played well at that moment. Ok, there was a backhand on second serve and I think he didn’t play that great - but I don’t think he choked..

 

[atttomole]

I agree with you there, and we saw an example in the Olympics final against Carlos, one of Novaks greatest ever performances. If Novak goes deep at Wimbledon and Carlos is gone, then he’ll do everything - including cheating - to win. Nobody else has the experience at that level to stop him…

How does Novak cheat? No need to take a dig at a semi retired player while we are enjoying the beginning of a new rivalry.

 

[Kieran]

How does Novak cheat? No need to take a dig at a semi retired player while we are enjoying the beginning of a new rivalry.

Toilet breaks from hell, feigning injury, I could probably think of more if I was interested. He even lied on forms to get into Australia. He would kill his granny and you, to get a W…