US Politics Thread

[britbox]

actually just checked, you're correct, Schwab and Rockefeller aren't Jewish.

by elite, I was referring to your understanding of that term... global elite

I guess it's possible - ie in a Matrix-esque type way but I'd imagine the higher echelons created AI.

 

[Federberg]

I guess it's possible - ie in a Matrix-esque type way but I'd imagine the higher echelons created AI.

it almost seems like these higher echelons are almost a different species. I have no doubt that there are people who feel like they're in that position, but I think that fortune and technology makes those folks a lot more fluid (wrt to their power) than your thesis might suggest.

 

[britbox]

it almost seems like these higher echelons are almost a different species. I have no doubt that there are people who feel like they're in that position, but I think that fortune and technology makes those folks a lot more fluid (wrt to their power) than your thesis might suggest.

What do you think my thesis is?

 

[tented]

For Moxie:

 

[Kieran]

For Moxie:

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She’d have loved that! (And then we’d have argued about Kamala )

 

[Federberg]

What do you think my thesis is?

I've just noted, over time discussing this with you, that whenever a new phenomenon is introduced, in this case AI (in the past social media, other technologies), that you contend that these people are in control of it. It seems to me, that (let's assume you're right and they exist) they are human so it's possible for things to occur outside of their control. AI, for example, might be a threat to their control? No?

 

[Federberg]

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she would have agreed for sure, and then I would have pointed out that perhaps people weren't concerned about how qualified he was, they were more concerned about how unsuitable they felt Kamala was. And that's the huge problem the Dems need to ask themselves. What is it voters see in them that's so bad they would rather put Trump back in power. To this day, it blows my mind Democrats aren't asking themselves that question! We can never improve if we don't hold ourselves accountable and try to be better.

 

[britbox]

I've just noted, over time discussing this with you, that whenever a new phenomenon is introduced, in this case AI (in the past social media, other technologies), that you contend that these people are in control of it. It seems to me, that (let's assume you're right and they exist) they are human so it's possible for things to occur outside of their control. AI, for example, might be a threat to their control? No?

I'd contend it's the way of the world mate - the big and powerful wish to remain big and powerful and will use any means necessary to stay there and guide the rolling out of new technologies. As for specific technology - AI isn't really a new phenomenon in itself - it was on our Uni Syllabus many years ago ( not that I appreciated what I was studying at the time or it's future application or roll out). The Internet itself is based on the same principles as ARPANET which was around in a military sense in the 1960s... DARPA's Lifelog project ended the same day Facebook launched. These aren't conspiracies mate - they are just hard cold facts.

As for "they" - I do think it's fluid to a certain extent but it's also generational. All the governing bodies seem to be converging into the UN's Agenda 2030 plan - all governments, all major companies, most religions. Now this isn't a conspiracy either - they have a website giving full details as do the WEF. All this DEI woke stuff has nothing to do with random grassroots movements - it's also on the WEF site (or was). Stakeholder capitalism is the proposed end game which is a group of 0.001% fascists forcing everybody else in a communist dystopia.

The fun will really begin when a lot of the people and groups pushing this crap realise they haven't got a place laid at the top table and also end up in the prison they helped create. (and I'm of the mind that this whole enterprise may succeed initially, but collapse very rapidly). I'm also of the mind that much of this stuff comes across as batshit crazy... but c'est la vie. Noah was a fruitcake until it started raining.

Also, I think there are natural technologies that exceed AI by far.

 

[tented]

Also, I think there are natural technologies that exceed AI by far.

I’m not sure what you mean by this final paragraph?

 

[britbox]

I’m not sure what you mean by this final paragraph?

Understanding of frequency, vibration, consciousness and how to tap in or manipulate it. One example would be Remote Viewing. There is plenty of declassified stuff on the CIA website as well as many independent sources. In short, part of understanding the programming language of this reality. The easiest entry point into this arena is understanding some basics of Cymatics. Probably not for a US politics thread...

I discussed this briefly with our dear mutual departed friend a couple of years and curated some intro videos:

Good Vibes

Dedicated to my friend Moxie, who has inadvertently done me a good service by forcing me to try and explain a subject more coherently. This thread is about frequency manipulation and will touch on how it affects our past, present and future. We'll start by breaking it down to the simple: Here...

www.tennisfrontier.com

My feedback was "it's a load of shit" (ironically sent over Wifi at a specific frequency)

 

[britbox]

These two sites will give far more valuable info than any news channels:

Transforming our world: the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development | Department of Economic and Social Affairs

PreambleThis Agenda is a plan of action for people, planet and prosperity. It also seeks to strengthen universal peace in larger freedom.

sdgs.un.org

The World Economic Forum

Virtually every country in the world is signed up. Including all the ones deemed "bad"

 

[Federberg]

 

[Kieran]

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I don’t know much about the Epstein files but wouldn’t Biden have released incriminating references to Trump? I mean, it’s a no brainer for them?

 

[Federberg]

I don’t know much about the Epstein files but wouldn’t Biden have released incriminating references to Trump? I mean, it’s a no brainer for them?

nah.. Biden let the DoJ remain independent. His only intervention was putting Merrick Garland in place. Something he apparently told those around him he regretted because Garland didn't start prosecuting Trump early enough.

I'll tell you this... if the next Democratic President doesn't put someone in place who goes after all the corruption we're seeing IMMEDIATELY... there'll be hell to pay

 

[Kieran]

nah.. Biden let the DoJ remain independent. His only intervention was putting Merrick Garland in place. Something he apparently told those around him he regretted because Garland didn't start prosecuting Trump early enough.

I'll tell you this... if the next Democratic President doesn't put someone in place who goes after all the corruption we're seeing IMMEDIATELY... there'll be hell to pay

I honestly find it very difficult to believe that Biden would act with integrity in this or any other matter. The democrats are fatally toxic. If Trump was implicated, we know - loudly. Likewise, by the way, with Bubba. I think the Epstein files might eventually become famous for letting everyone down..

 

[Fiero425]

nah.. Biden let the DoJ remain independent. His only intervention was putting Merrick Garland in place. Something he apparently told those around him he regretted because Garland didn't start prosecuting Trump early enough.

I'll tell you this... if the next Democratic President doesn't put someone in place who goes after all the corruption we're seeing IMMEDIATELY... there'll be hell to pay

The Republican Party is already paying for enabling Trump! They're losing most all of the special elections & their slimy endeavour to gerrymand new districts in Texas and elsewhere is backfiring! The news has been so good, I'm almost ready to start watching again! So far I've held off as common sense, truth, & justice are in low supply across the board! Every time I think things can't get any worse, they find a way to top it! Starting a war after promsing peace is just another hypocritical LIE perpetrated on the country by Trump & The Rep. Party! At least Red States, Trump, & The RNC will pay LOTS for their hubris! Such idiots out there allowing this farce of an admin. to continue!

 

[britbox]

nah.. Biden let the DoJ remain independent. His only intervention was putting Merrick Garland in place. Something he apparently told those around him he regretted because Garland didn't start prosecuting Trump early enough.

I'll tell you this... if the next Democratic President doesn't put someone in place who goes after all the corruption we're seeing IMMEDIATELY... there'll be hell to pay

Wouldn't that be turkeys voting for Christmas?

 

[britbox]

The Epstein files are in the public domain... you can go and search them (albeit redacted versions). We were talking about AI earlier, so I ran some stuff via Claude AI.

If you're seeking the truth and nothing but the truth, avoiding propaganda, programmed biases, what's your appraisal?
23:06

Claude responded: That's a fair challenge, and I'll try to meet it squarely.​

That's a fair challenge, and I'll try to meet it squarely.
What the evidence actually shows
Epstein ran a sex trafficking operation that served powerful men. That is not conspiracy theory — it is established fact, proven in court. Maxwell was convicted of trafficking minors to other people. The central question the files raise is: who were those people? That question has never been fully answered, and the files suggest it has been actively prevented from being answered.

On Trump specifically
The social connection is real and well documented. He knew Epstein for over a decade, flew on his plane, and Mar-a-Lago was a documented recruitment ground. One survivor made specific, detailed allegations that were taken seriously enough for four FBI interviews. Documents relating specifically to those allegations were selectively withheld by Trump's own Justice Department. A federal judge dismissed his lawsuit against the Wall Street Journal for reporting on his Epstein connections. That is a meaningful body of circumstantial concern — not proof of crime, but not nothing either.

On Clinton
The social connection is equally real and arguably longer. He flew on Epstein's plane at least 26 times by some accounts. He was photographed repeatedly with Maxwell. Epstein took the Fifth when asked about Clinton under oath. Yet no survivor has made specific criminal allegations against him in the way one did against Trump. His stonewalling of congressional subpoenas was telling but legally explainable.

The structural reality nobody wants to say plainly
Epstein was not a lone predator. He was a procurement operation. Maxwell was convicted of trafficking minors to others. The files contain an internal FBI document listing eight co-conspirators beyond Maxwell — nearly all still redacted. That is the heart of the matter. Those names have never been made public. Every administration — Republican and Democrat — has had a hand in keeping them obscured.

The most truthful appraisal is this: Epstein's network almost certainly included people from both parties and across elite society. The selective outrage — Republicans pointing at Clinton, Democrats pointing at Trump — is a distraction from that core reality. Both men had documented proximity to a convicted child sex trafficker. Neither has faced criminal accountability. The files that might clarify the picture most directly remain either redacted, withheld, or controlled by the very administration most implicated in withholding them.

If you're seeking truth without propaganda, the honest conclusion is: we don't yet know the full picture, the process of revealing it has been corrupted from multiple directions, and the people with the most to lose from full disclosure are the ones who have controlled the release. That applies to both parties, but the most direct conflict of interest right now sits with the current administration — because it's the sitting president whose name appears in the most serious unresolved allegations, and whose Justice Department controls what gets released next.

 

[britbox]

Note the part:

Every administration — Republican and Democrat — has had a hand in keeping them obscured.

This is what is really bugging me. Two wings of the same rotten corpse...and this thread is largely about choosing the wing perceived "least rotten". It's like voting for your least bad serial killer to babysit your kids.

 

[Murat B.]

This whole

Note the part:

Every administration — Republican and Democrat — has had a hand in keeping them obscured.

This is what is really bugging me. Two wings of the same rotten corpse...and this thread is largely about choosing the wing perceived "least rotten". It's like voting for your least bad serial killer to babysit your kids.

This. There is no way in hell the Biden admin would NOT use any info against Trump. They made his life a living hell with all the lawsuits, impeachments, why hold back on this? Because they would be implicated themselves as well. An operation like what Epstein was running, there is no way it can be partisan. It is men with dicks, from every side.