Roland Garros / French Open 2025 [Men] - Grand Slam

[PhiEaglesfan712]

Bublik (and Tommy Paul) got lucky. Both of them really should have lost their 2nd round matches. De Minaur and Marozsan simply just choked their matches. Bublik's performance against Draper, as well as Paul's performance against Popyrin, were huge flukes. It's highly unlikely either will perform at that level ever again.

 

[El Dude]

To be honest, I think Sinner will be come back to reality moment. He'll squash Bublik like a little bukashka.

 

[El Dude]

I must say, I'd really like to see Musetti upset Carlos (assuming Paul doesn't), but....

Anyhow, I forgot that Musetti reached the SF of Wimbledon. Nice to see he's not just a one-surface guy. Regardless of the outcome of the SF, it seems like he's jumped a notched and is a legit top 10 guy. Maybe he can inspire Sebastian Korda to also actualize his potential.

Or not.

 

[Fiero425]

Bublik (and Tommy Paul) got lucky. Both of them really should have lost their 2nd round matches. De Minaur and Marozsan simply just choked their matches. Bublik's performance against Draper, as well as Paul's performance against Popyrin, were huge flukes. It's highly unlikely either will perform at that level ever again.

Well Paul's crashing back to Earth! He was fortunate to even get this far after avoidinng upset earlier in the tournament! Alcaraz is embarrassing him on Court Centralle on Int'l TV! I've been saying for yrs. "Americans need not apply!" There's a reason they rarely get to the QF yr. after yr., much less win at RG! The women have always had a better chance, but the list of winners from "across the pond" is still short from over the decades! Paul's putting up a fight in the 3rd after being served a "bagel" & a "breadstick" in the 1st 2 sets!

 

[Moxie]

Well Paul's crashing back to Earth! He was fortunate to even get this far after avoidinng upset earlier in the tournament! Alcaraz is embarrassing him on Court Centralle on Int'l TV! I've been saying for yrs. "Americans need not apply!" There's a reason they rarely get to the QF yr. after yr., much less win at RG! The women have always had a better chance, but the list of winners from "across the pond" is still short from over the decades! Paul's putting up a fight in the 3rd after being served a "bagel" & a "breadstick" in the 1st 2 sets!

In fairness, Paul is a bit hampered, but Carlitos jumped a gear, I think.

 

[El Dude]

I kind of feel for guys like Paul - or Ruud, de Minaur, etc. They're very good players, and Paul's late bloom is impressive, but you just don't get the sense that these guys have the firepower to take out a big dog in a Slam. I think this is where I differentiate between the Zverev/Tsitsipas types and the Pauls/Ruuds/De Minaurs...Zverev--if he wasn't a head-case--has the talent to beat a top player. Sascha has the physical ability to do a Cilic 14, those guys don't.

 

[Moxie]

I kind of feel for guys like Paul - or Ruud, de Minaur, etc. They're very good players, and Paul's late bloom is impressive, but you just don't get the sense that these guys have the firepower to take out a big dog in a Slam. I think this is where I differentiate between the Zverev/Tsitsipas types and the Pauls/Ruuds/De Minaurs...Zverev--if he wasn't a head-case--has the talent to beat a top player. Sascha has the physical ability to do a Cilic 14, those guys don't.

Zverev and Cilic are similarly talented, in that they are also similarly lacking in talent, IMO. What they have going for them is that they are 6'6". Tsitsipas is arguably the more talented of the 3, if you want to put him in this conversation, though he's quickly falling out of it. He's 6'4". I agree that Zverev and Tsitsipas may be more talented than the guys you mentioned above, but not by much. But they ARE in the category of you can't teach height. It's an advantage that others don't have. Look at how Cilic won the US Open. Not really a tough draw, though he had tough matches, but, on one fine day, in the SF, he hit Roger off the court. That's about aces, and being tall. The final was a cakewalk, at that point, to an exhausted, and shorter, Niskikori, because, amazingly, Nishikori took out Djokovic. That was a rarity, and he benefitted from it. Can Sascha do that? Maybe. But his serve is less reliable, and so is his nerve. And Alcaraz and Sinner bring a lot more firepower. And Sascha, at this point, would have to get lucky in the way that Cilic did...someone take out the other guy. I refuse to even entertain what it would take for Tsitsipas, these days.

 

[PhiEaglesfan712]

Cilic has had a great career. To me, he is in the same tier as other recent one-slammers, like del Potro, Medvedev, and Thiem. All of them made several deep runs at slams, and have about the same number of career titles. The one area where Cilic has the advantage over the other three is longevity, as evidenced by their career match win totals.

The one slam puts them ahead of the guys in the next tier, like Tsonga, Byrdych, Gasquet, etc.

 

[kskate2]

Order of Play for French Open, Day 11 QF Round, June 4, 2025

 

[mrzz]

Did anyone see Alcaraz make a volley while throwing his racket to reach a ball? The racket just left his hand when the contact with ball was made and umpire didn't see it. The slow motion camera revealed what happened. Umpire called a score, but Alcaraz corrected him. This is the example of the good sportmanship. Player always knows.

Yep...

Alcaraz just went further up on my scale. But I already had a very favorable opinion about him anyway.

 

[mrzz]

Zero time to spare lately so could not post these last few days. I could watch a few parts of matches while eating lunch or something like that.

First things first: GO BUBLIK, GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pretty surprised no one here is talking about the incident with Musetti in the Tiafoe match. I heard a comentator say the rule changed since the Djokovic incident. I heard and read a lot of stuff back then... it amazes me how people comment on a thing without reading the actual fucking rule book.

While I was in a boring meeting, I cared to check:

1) First myth: the rule changed from 2020 to now: no, it did not.

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.itftennis.com/media/5986/grand-slam-rulebook-2025-f.pdf

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.itftennis.com/media/2495/grand-slam-rulebook-2020-f.pdf

2) Second myth: hitting a linesperson or any other person in an outburst means automatic disqualification: no, it does not, just check "abuse of balls" and "defaults" above.

3) Third myth (well, not a myth yet, but I have seen two people say it already): Incidents are the same, according to the rules. No, the rules mention "dangerously". In the Musetti incident, linesperson didn't flinch. In the Djokovic incident, linesperson showed visible signs of pain/harm.

Given 3) above, I get that both incidents should be handed differently. Having said that, do I think Djokovic should be disqualified from USOPEN 2020? It is a judgement call (see 2 above and read the rule book before replying). What I am pretty sure is that Musetti should NOT be disqualified.

 

[Moxie]

Cilic has had a great career. To me, he is in the same tier as other recent one-slammers, like del Potro, Medvedev, and Thiem. All of them made several deep runs at slams, and have about the same number of career titles. The one area where Cilic has the advantage over the other three is longevity, as evidenced by their career match win totals.

The one slam puts them ahead of the guys in the next tier, like Tsonga, Byrdych, Gasquet, etc.

Very fine career, but I'd have rather seen Tsonga get one than Cilic. Much more interesting and appealing player. But to each their own.

 

[mrzz]

Russian took it to the Austrian in the second but it wasn't enough.

 

[don_fabio]

Russian took it to the Austrian in the second but it wasn't enough.

That was a weird result. If Bublik didn't save a SP in the first set he would get a bicycle, but does it classify as such if it is separated by one close set. Hm?

 

[Fiero425]

Countdown to Novak & Sascha FO QF! - Most are predicting Djokovic to win in 4 or 5! To take this title, he'll have to go thru #3, then #1, then #2! Can it be done by the old man? I'm not going to predict it, but people shouldn't be that surprised after all this man has achieved! His career is not only outstanding & record breaking, it's symmetrical in how he did it; 12 Majors early, then 12 of them later! The #'s are endless!

 

[don_fabio]

Having said that, do I think Djokovic should be disqualified from USOPEN 2020? It is a judgement call (see 2 above and read the rule book before replying).

What got Novak disqualified in USO is also his behaviour leading to the incident. He was acting wild minutes before, which contributed to the final decision.

What I am pretty sure is that Musetti should NOT be disqualified.

I agree, looks to me like media is trying to blow this thing up and Tiafoe sounded a bit salty in a presser.

 

[kskate2]

I don't think he should have DQ either, but he should have at least gotten a warning. What he did is tantamount to launching a ball in the air because things weren't going his way. Players need to learn to control their emotions and govern themselves accordingly. When there's no consistency w/ even a warning, players are not taking the rules seriously.

 

[Moxie]

I don't think he should have DQ either, but he should have at least gotten a warning. What he did is tantamount to launching a ball in the air because things weren't going his way. Players need to learn to control their emotions and govern themselves accordingly. When there's no consistency w/ even a warning, players are not taking the rules seriously.

If you mean Musetti, he did get a warning.

 

[kskate2]

Did he? I had it on mute so maybe I didn't hear it.

 

[kskate2]

If he got a warning, then that's the end of it. Foe is likely singing sour grapes because he's not good enough to beat players ranked ahead of him. He has a difficult time w/ folks ranked below him as it is