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I wished you folks would have grown up in the USA.. I haven't seen the movie but I live thru a lot of his early years. In 1979 when he came out with the Off the Wall album, we all knew then God had delivered to our generation THE PRINCE THAT WAS PROMISED, IMO.
No I was quite happy growing up living in Italy :) I have visited USA many times, no offence I could not live there, your gun problem for one? also you Amercian 's put pineapple on your pizza's? Meh my poor papa nearly fell off his chair when we were in NYC :) I have all Michaels albums,
Like Federberg when I got home from watching the movie I put Thriller on :)
Michael was born before his time, music wise, thank God we have all got to enjoy his music forever!
 
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I often think about Tarantino deciding to quit making films. I reckon he’d put too much pressure on himself and it wore him down. It’s a pity because he’s created a whole new genre: Tarantinoesque. And he’s the best at it. One upon a time in Hollywood was excellent.

But still - I don’t think he’s made a great film that stands along the very best that Hollywood has made, like The godfather or the Conversation, Goodfellas or Unforgiven.. He lacks depth, or suspense. His films never move me, though I still either love or like them. They’re entertainment, and they all end with Itchy and Scratchy beating the shit out of each other, which can be distracting. I hope he’ll change his mind and make films differently as he ages…
 

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I often think about Tarantino deciding to quit making films. I reckon he’d put too much pressure on himself and it wore him down. It’s a pity because he’s created a whole new genre: Tarantinoesque. And he’s the best at it. One upon a time in Hollywood was excellent.

But still - I don’t think he’s made a great film that stands along the very best that Hollywood has made, like The godfather or the Conversation, Goodfellas or Unforgiven.. He lacks depth, or suspense. His films never move me, though I still either love or like them. They’re entertainment, and they all end with Itchy and Scratchy beating the shit out of each other, which can be distracting. I hope he’ll change his mind and make films differently as he ages…
hmmm that's interesting. I think I would put Pulp Fiction up there as an all time classic
 

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hmmm that's interesting. I think I would put Pulp Fiction up there as an all time classic
Yeah I think that one stands out, particularly for its originality and its influence. I think also reservoir dogs. I’m not saying he hasn’t make “great films”, because he makes great Tarantino films, he’s a genre unto himself, and he has incredible aesthetic virtues in how he frames his films and writes them, the casting, the music.

It’s just, the very greatest films have something at stake in them, they have some meaning, and Tarantino’s are more like a twist in the tale, they’re hugely inventive and cool and entertaining, but I find them light in a lot of ways as well? I don’t know, because I really like his films but I watched Unforgiven lately and I know he hasn’t make a film like that, and nor would he probably want to.

By the way, he’s an excellent critic, his book Cinema Speculation is brilliant. You can hear chapters of it on YouTube, and I thought it was him reading it but it’s an excellent AI version of his voice. There’s a few chapters of the book on this channel:

 
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Yeah I think that one stands out, particularly for its originality and its influence. I think also reservoir dogs. I’m not saying he hasn’t make “great films”, because he makes great Tarantino films, he’s a genre unto himself, and he has incredible aesthetic virtues in how he frames his films and writes them, the casting, the music.

It’s just, the very greatest films have something at stake in them, they have some meaning, and Tarantino’s are more like a twist in the tale, they’re hugely inventive and cool and entertaining, but I find them light in a lot of ways as well? I don’t know, because I really like his films but I watched Unforgiven lately and I know he hasn’t make a film like that, and nor would he probably want to.

By the way, he’s an excellent critic, his book Cinema Speculation is brilliant. You can hear chapters of it on YouTube, and I thought it was him reading it but it’s an excellent AI version of his voice. There’s a few chapters of the book on this channel:


I hear what you're saying. And I do agree that some of the greatest movies make you think deeply. But I also think there's space to be just... entertained. For me it's about my mood, what am I looking for in a movie. Some just punch you in the face because they're just so good and you didn't see it coming. I felt that way the first time I watched Twelve Angry Men. I was just flicking channels, about to go to bed, over an hour later I was still sitting on the edge of the sofa as if I was about to go. I was paralysed, spellbound. But then there's a movie like Pulp Fiction that makes you laugh, surprises you because it's something you didn't expect. The little details in it. I think there's space for both. For me the most important thing isn't it's level of profoundness. It's whether it grips you. Whether you can watch it again and again and again... I think, for me, Pulp Fiction is one of those. I would even put a movie like GroundHog Day in that category. I can watch that movie a hundred times and it never gets old, I never get bored of it. That for me is an all timer. It's impervious to time, it's endlessly engaging
 
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I hear what you're saying. And I do agree that some of the greatest movies make you think deeply. But I also think there's space to be just... entertained. For me it's about my mood, what am I looking for in a movie. Some just punch you in the face because they're just so good and you didn't see it coming. I felt that way the first time I watched Twelve Angry Men. I was just flicking channels, about to go to bed, over an hour later I was still sitting on the edge of the sofa as if I was about to go. I was paralysed, spellbound. But then there's a movie like Pulp Fiction that makes you laugh, surprises you because it's something you didn't expect. The little details in it. I think there's space for both. For me the most important thing isn't it's level of profoundness. It's whether it grips you. Whether you can watch it again and again and again... I think, for me, Pulp Fiction is one of those. I would even put a movie like GroundHog Day in that category. I can watch that movie a hundred times and it never gets old, I never get bored of it. That for me is an all timer. It's impervious to time, it's endlessly engaging
Yeah I agree with that, and those films are say, easier on the eye, but it’s not like they’re “easy to make” cos if they were, there’d be more of them. To hit on an original idea like Groundhog Day is only a small part of it, you need great filmmakers and cast etc to bring it to what it should be. I do love Tarantino films, but I’m disappointed he’s thinking to stop making them. He says he doesn’t want to be an old filmmaker with a patchy cv, but nothing can undo what he did with pulp fiction. I’d just love to see what he’s capable of on his later years..
 

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Yeah I agree with that, and those films are say, easier on the eye, but it’s not like they’re “easy to make” cos if they were, there’d be more of them. To hit on an original idea like Groundhog Day is only a small part of it, you need great filmmakers and cast etc to bring it to what it should be. I do love Tarantino films, but I’m disappointed he’s thinking to stop making them. He says he doesn’t want to be an old filmmaker with a patchy cv, but nothing can undo what he did with pulp fiction. I’d just love to see what he’s capable of on his later years..
I think some of his less heralded movies are also surprisingly good. Like Jackie Brown and Death Proof. I have a feeling he loves the gig too much to stop. He's actually needed more now than ever. The stuff Hollywood is pushing out right now is pure trash. When I think of the last few years the movies that I recall that I've talked about after leaving the cinemas are: F1, Michael Jackson, Top Gun Maverick. I'm struggling to think of anything else that's sparked more than a passing conversation.
 
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I think some of his less heralded movies are also surprisingly good. Like Jackie Brown and Death Proof. I have a feeling he loves the gig too much to stop. He's actually needed more now than ever. The stuff Hollywood is pushing out right now is pure trash. When I think of the last few years the movies that I recall that I've talked about after leaving the cinemas are: F1, Michael Jackson, Top Gun Maverick. I'm struggling to think of anything else that's sparked more than a passing conversation.
I haven’t seen F1 but I’ve watched Top Gun Maverick more times than the whole of Fellini’s films in total. It’s fantastic. I only wished I’d seen it in the cinema on the biggest feck off screen imaginable.
 

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I haven’t seen F1 but I’ve watched Top Gun Maverick more times than the whole of Fellini’s films in total. It’s fantastic. I only wished I’d seen it in the cinema on the biggest feck off screen imaginable.
oh I highly recommend F1. That was what I call a movie! There are films you watch in the cinema and there are movies that are made for cinema. F1 is one of those, just like Top Gun Maverick
 

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Same director, yeah, just looking him up. He also did Oblivion. I’ll try catch F1, thanks for the recommend!
oh I highly recommend F1. That was what I call a movie! There are films you watch in the cinema and there are movies that are made for cinema. F1 is one of those, just like Top Gun Maverick