2015 Australian Open Final: Djokovic vs. Murray

[brokenshoelace]

Murray always gets out-muscled by Djokovic when matches go deep. He's not quite as physical which is why Djokovic often gets an even easier time dictating in the late stages. The match was practically over when Murray didn't win the first set.

 

[pavlik89]

Andy Murray vs Novak Djokovic FINAL CEREMONY HD Australian Open2015

http://videopay.net/video/9RNewKoVEeSZb5NAGpT1tw

 

[Carol]

Congrats to Novak for his fifth AO title and 8 GS and of course his fans, enjoy!!!
Looking the result I see that Muzz in the fourth set became to that player who has as good game as the best but the head worse than anyone else. I think that he needs a Mentalist Doctor like Novak had in 2011 (D. Igor Cetojevic) than a better coach :idea:
Well, hope to see of all of them something different in IW and Miami, better game, not injuries, strong minds and better competition, we'll see

And soon to see a renew Rafa leaving all his problems back, with more confidence, completely fitted and playing his best, tennis needs that very badly

 

[Denis]

It's hilarious that Cali thinks Djokovic played worse finals at the 2010 and 2013 US Opens than he did in 2007 and 2012 against Federer and Murray respectively.

2013 was by far the most atrocious of all of them. 2012 comes second. 2010 was just rediculous scheduling by the USTA which definitely didn't help.

Novak should have won 2012 and 2013. He is and was (at the time) better than Nadal and Murray on that court.

 

[pavlik89]

Andy Murray vs Novak Djokovic FULL MATCH HD Australian Open 2015

http://www.tennishdhighlights.com/australian-open/2015-2/

 

[nehmeth]

Congratulations Novak on #8.
(You have a chance to win three more this year)

 

[DarthFed]

Congrats to Nole on the record setting 5th title. He's clearly the best there's been on the slow hard courts. For the most part he was great though there were a couple lapses that Murray didn't take full advantage of. But overall itd have taken an amazing effort from Murray to beat Djokovic on that court in pretty solid form.

Congrats to the Djoker fans even though they just sat on their arses like me

 

[nehmeth]

And soon to see a renew Rafa leaving all his problems back, with more confidence, completely fitted and playing his best, tennis needs that very badly

Anyone who writes off Nadal does so at their own peril. Up until now he's proven them wrong every time.

Seeing him out there this week though, well there just doesn't seem to be any cartilage left in his knees. Even when he did his standard run out onto the court, he looked a little better than my 96 year old father, but not like a world beater. We'll see.

 

[Carol]

And soon to see a renew Rafa leaving all his problems back, with more confidence, completely fitted and playing his best, tennis needs that very badly

Anyone who writes off Nadal does so at their own peril. Up until now he's proven them wrong every time.

Seeing him out there this week though, well there just doesn't seem to be any cartilage left in his knees. Even when he did his standard run out onto the court, he looked a little better than my 96 year old father, but not like a world beater. We'll see.

Have I said something about he was injured? nope but he came back from an injury and surgery so it's not easy to be completely fitted and less in a GS, it wasn't any surprise the result but he will be back, he will be back, he just needs to play more matches like anyone else

 

[the AntiPusher]

Congrats to Nole on the record setting 5th title. He's clearly the best there's been on the slow hard courts. For the most part he was great though there were a couple lapses that Murray didn't take full advantage of. But overall itd have taken an amazing effort from Murray to beat Djokovic on that court in pretty solid form.

Congrats to the Djoker fans even though they just sat on their arses like me

Yes Congrats to Djoker. Hopefully next year Rafa, Fed and Stan are all healthy and top match condition to allow for a more competitive 2 weeks down under, this year was Too Easy for Novak

 

[brokenshoelace]

It's hilarious that Cali thinks Djokovic played worse finals at the 2010 and 2013 US Opens than he did in 2007 and 2012 against Federer and Murray respectively.

2013 was by far the most atrocious of all of them. 2012 comes second. 2010 was just rediculous scheduling by the USTA which definitely didn't help.

Novak should have won 2012 and 2013. He is and was (at the time) better than Nadal and Murray on that court.

Umm... 2007 was easily the worst of the bunch, considering he served for both the first and second sets against a sub-par Federer and still somehow got straight setted.

Sorry, but 2013 wasn't close to being the worst. I'll remind you that Nadal was the best hard court player that year, and had just beaten Djokovic in Montreal. The idea that "he should have won" just because he's a better hard court player in general verges on some of the most obtuse things I've read against here, because in that case, Nadal should never, ever lose a match on clay since he's so far superior to everyone else on that surface that, if we're basing this on resume and history, he shouldn't even be losing sets...

It's 2015 and we're still spreading this absolutely nonsensical logic? Nadal was undefeated on hards during that 2013, and Novak wasn't playing anywhere near Nadal's level that summer, so the result made absolutely perfect sense. Grand Slam finals aren't life time achievement awards. Your form matters, and how you play on the day matters (and to a lesser extent, leading up to the final), not your historical resume. This is the same DarthFed "Federer should never lose to Nadal and Djokovic on grass" logic. I'm sure you think Federer should have never lost to Djokovic at Wimbledon this year...

Nadal was playing vastly superior hard court tennis to Djokovic throughout that time span, and it's not even debatable. I don't understand how you can claim he should have won a match in which he was never ahead.

Come on...

 

[nehmeth]

And soon to see a renew Rafa leaving all his problems back, with more confidence, completely fitted and playing his best, tennis needs that very badly

Anyone who writes off Nadal does so at their own peril. Up until now he's proven them wrong every time.

Seeing him out there this week though, well there just doesn't seem to be any cartilage left in his knees. Even when he did his standard run out onto the court, he looked a little better than my 96 year old father, but not like a world beater. We'll see.

Have I said something about he was injured? nope but he came back from an injury and surgery so it's not easy to be completely fitted and less in a GS, it wasn't any surprise the result but he will be back, he will be back, he just needs to play more matches like anyone else

That's the Catch-22 don't you think? He needs more match play to get grooved and build confidence, but will his knees allow him to do that? Hopefully he will play the clay tourneys in the Americas and rediscover his form. I won't ever write off Rafa, but I was pretty shocked by what I saw.

 

[Denis]

^ Novak completely screwed up the third set (up breaks, serving for the set etc) and then went AWOL in the fourth. Totally unneccessary.

Besides, even you had Novak favorite for that match smartass, if I remember correctly.

2007 Novak was 20, first GS final and facing the most dominant player seen so far on a tennis court. Can't really expect too much there.

 

[brokenshoelace]

^ Novak completely screwed up the third set (up breaks, serving for the set etc) and then went AWOL in the fourth. Totally unneccessary.

Besides, even you had Novak favorite for that match smartass, if I remember correctly.

2007 Novak was 20, first GS final and facing the most dominant player seen so far on a tennis court. Can't really expect too much there.

Novak never broke in that third set and never served for the set, "smart ass," he had break points, which Nadal saved (one with a winner, one with an ace, and one with a Novak UE after a long rally).

At least get your facts straight before name calling.

And again, don't side step the argument. Do you think Novak should be able to beat Nadal at the FO? How though? Nadal has 9 FO titles, Novak has zero. I mean, Nadal is clearly better than Novak on clay. So it's the same logic, right?

Federer clearly shouldn't have lost to Novak at Wimbledon since he's a much better grass court player, right?

I hope you understand the faulty logic.

 

[nehmeth]

Also, ESPN or the media has the started asking the question, "Will Djokovic catch Nadal?" Man, these media people are non-stop.

Then when Nadal wins a Major the headlines will be "Will Nadal break Federer's record?"

I hate these types of questions because they set unrealistic expecations and when a player doesn't achieve these expectations, the media will kill him for those failures.

Personally, in my opinion, Djokovic will not catch Nadal, Nadal will not break or catch Federer's record. Basically, I could see Federer staying in top with 17 or 18 majors.

:nono It's ridiculous. These guys are under a lot of pressure to create buzz and build viewership. So they hype Murray as being as good as Djokovic and all the other rot you just mentioned.

 

[DarthFed]

^novak was up a break in the 3rd and had all the momentum and then pissed it away. You're right that he didn't serve for the set though, after Nadal saved those break points Novak pretty much went away.

 

[Denis]

^ Novak completely screwed up the third set (up breaks, serving for the set etc) and then went AWOL in the fourth. Totally unneccessary.

Besides, even you had Novak favorite for that match smartass, if I remember correctly.

2007 Novak was 20, first GS final and facing the most dominant player seen so far on a tennis court. Can't really expect too much there.

Novak never broke in that third set and never served for the set, "smart ass," he had break points, which Nadal saved (one with a winner, one with an ace, and one with a Novak UE after a long rally).

At least get your facts straight before name calling.

And again, don't side step the argument. Do you think Novak should be able to beat Nadal at the FO? How though? Nadal has 9 FO titles, Novak has zero. I mean, Nadal is clearly better than Novak on clay. So it's the same logic, right?

Federer clearly shouldn't have lost to Novak at Wimbledon since he's a much better grass court player, right?

I hope you understand the faulty logic.

You're correct re serving for the set in that final, I remembered it wrong.

Anyways, Novak should have done much better in that final. He didn't play to his capabilities, that's all I am saying. 2007 I think he did more so than in 2013.

 

[brokenshoelace]

^novak was up a break in the 3rd and had all the momentum and then pissed it away. You're right that he didn't serve for the set though, after Nadal saved those break points Novak pretty much went away.

I stand corrected on that part.

 

[brokenshoelace]

^ Novak completely screwed up the third set (up breaks, serving for the set etc) and then went AWOL in the fourth. Totally unneccessary.

Besides, even you had Novak favorite for that match smartass, if I remember correctly.

2007 Novak was 20, first GS final and facing the most dominant player seen so far on a tennis court. Can't really expect too much there.

Novak never broke in that third set and never served for the set, "smart ass," he had break points, which Nadal saved (one with a winner, one with an ace, and one with a Novak UE after a long rally).

At least get your facts straight before name calling.

And again, don't side step the argument. Do you think Novak should be able to beat Nadal at the FO? How though? Nadal has 9 FO titles, Novak has zero. I mean, Nadal is clearly better than Novak on clay. So it's the same logic, right?

Federer clearly shouldn't have lost to Novak at Wimbledon since he's a much better grass court player, right?

I hope you understand the faulty logic.

You're correct re serving for the set in that final, I remembered it wrong.

Anyways, Novak should have done much better in that final. He didn't play to his capabilities, that's all I am saying. 2007 I think he did more so than in 2013.

Obviously he should have played better. That doesn't equate to "he should have won" though. I think this would be rich to suggest considering he didn't play great to begin with, so "he should have won" is going overboard. That's a lot of ifs. Fact is Nadal was the best player in the world at that time, and was on a ridiculously dominant run. The result made sense actually.

 

[nehmeth]

So do you think that he lost because his knee or because he didn't have enough time to be fitted? don't be shocked, like I said before,the result wasn't a surprise

Have seen Rafa play a few times this year, and it's not that I think he's injured. It's that he doesn't have much bounce in his step. There doesn't seem to be much elasticity in those legs. Quite honestly when he does his little "run" it's kind of scary.

It could be just my imagination and poor eyesight.

I'm hoping he does the clay tour in the Americas as that helped him build confidence and find his form before.