NBA (whenever)...

[Federberg]

I'm not really sure I like the deal on Miami's end either. This better work out for them because they pretty much gutted their future for this, by trading their young guys, and their early 2030s picks. By the way, the Dubs could not have made that deal, as they already have traded away their young guys (Jordan Poole, Kuminga, etc.) and are stuck with a very old core.

The Celtics deal is the better one, and would have helped both teams. Milwaukee would have gotten a proven star with Jaylen Brown, and the Celtics are a contending team, and they could have paired Giannis with Tatum. Miami isn't really a team in contention, and probably should start a rebuild, instead of trying to be the Warriors of the East because I get the feeling this probably isn't going to work out for them.

I certainly agreee the Celtics deal would have been better for the Bucks. I think there is this fixation with a lot of franchises for picks. Unless that franchise is exceptional with picks, getting a ready made star makes far more sense. For that reason the Bucks should definitely have grabbed Jaylen Brown with both hands. I think that Miami squad, at least the starting line up is formidable. The only shaky bit is Devion Mitchell, not sure he's good enough as point guard but absolutely every other spot is superb. And they have Spo. So I think barring injuries they will be a very very serious contender next season in my opinion. When I think about teams that might consider going for the picks? OKC, SAS, Houston? Can't think of too many more who generally nail it with their picks.

 

[DarthFed]

I didn’t think Milwaukee was that dumb..they got fleeced..they could have gotten Chet holgrrem, Lou Dort and 3 first round draft picks instead of fragile Tyler Hero and some bums n mid range first round picks ..I am surprised. @Federberg da Dubs could have made that deal smh2

I didn’t hear anything about the Thunder trying to deal for Giannis. And I don’t think the Bucks would want the centerpiece to be Cassandra Holmgren after what we saw this year.

Jaylen Brown didn’t want to be here and probably wouldn’t have stayed long term and the draft capital included in that trade would have been less than what they received from the Heat.

All things considered, im good with the trade. Like I said recently, it’s telling that you only had a couple teams seriously pursuing him this offseason. Just two years ago you’d have had pretty much every team in the league trying to make a deal to land him.

 

[DarthFed]

I certainly agreee the Celtics deal would have been better for the Bucks. I think there is this fixation with a lot of franchises for picks. Unless that franchise is exceptional with picks, getting a ready made star makes far more sense. For that reason the Bucks should definitely have grabbed Jaylen Brown with both hands. I think that Miami squad, at least the starting line up is formidable. The only shaky bit is Devion Mitchell, not sure he's good enough as point guard but absolutely every other spot is superb. And they have Spo. So I think barring injuries they will be a very very serious contender next season in my opinion. When I think about teams that might consider going for the picks? OKC, SAS, Houston? Can't think of too many more who generally nail it with their picks.

I’m glad they didn’t trade with Boston as there wouldn’t have been much else aside from Brown who likely wouldn’t want to stay long term in Milwaukee.

The Bucks needed a rebuild beyond getting Brown, who also isn’t close to the player Giannis is when both are healthy. So getting a few playable guys in their 20’s and a deal with as good of draft capital as they could hope for is more ideal. It’s very possible they draft mega scrubs, especially with that waste of DNA they have at GM, but plenty of trash teams turn their fortunes around in the draft. It happened to the Bucks 13 years ago with a mid-round pick.

I will miss Giannis but it was time. Hopefully this works out for the Heat, but I do question their depth, playmaking and shooting after this deal. Regardless, I will be rooting them on for sure come playoff time.

 

[Murat B.]

I don't think anyone won in this deal.
Edit: I think Boston won in this deal.

 

[DarthFed]

I don't think anyone won in this deal.

That’s possible. Like FB, I am interested to see what Giannis does with an elite coach and an actual winning culture. They definitely have a terrifying frontcourt. If they aren’t serious contenders already they are probably pretty close.

 

[PhiEaglesfan712]

I certainly agreee the Celtics deal would have been better for the Bucks. I think there is this fixation with a lot of franchises for picks. Unless that franchise is exceptional with picks, getting a ready made star makes far more sense. For that reason the Bucks should definitely have grabbed Jaylen Brown with both hands. I think that Miami squad, at least the starting line up is formidable. The only shaky bit is Devion Mitchell, not sure he's good enough as point guard but absolutely every other spot is superb. And they have Spo. So I think barring injuries they will be a very very serious contender next season in my opinion. When I think about teams that might consider going for the picks? OKC, SAS, Houston? Can't think of too many more who generally nail it with their picks.

That's a big thing, especially when you trade away youth for an older piece. Just look at Golden State last year. The core/roster may look like a contender on paper, but deep down, I kind of knew that it probably wasn't going to work out due to injuries. There's only so much great coaches like Kerr and Spo can do. They cannot work magic if older players' bodies just won't hold up.

 

[Federberg]

That's a big thing, especially when you trade away youth for an older piece. Just look at Golden State last year. The core/roster may look like a contender on paper, but deep down, I kind of knew that it probably wasn't going to work out due to injuries. There's only so much great coaches like Kerr and Spo can do. They cannot work magic if older players' bodies just won't hold up.

I hear you. Although I think the Warriors thing is a bit unfair. I get that older players get injured, but we're talking about an ACL and collapsed kneecap. Both of those are freakish injuries and not really age related. I think Steph's runners knee could be argued as an old age thing. My point is that it's fair to say that the Warriors had a deeply flawed old squad AND still say they were extremely unlucky has season. Anyway I really want to see what Dunleavy does with the 11th pick. I think he's actually done a superior job to Myers (criminally overrated in my opinion), and this is his first chance with a relatively high pick. I've been living in fear they'll trade that pick. Please please no!

PS, I don't want Kawhi, I don't want Lebron.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I certainly agreee the Celtics deal would have been better for the Bucks. I think there is this fixation with a lot of franchises for picks. Unless that franchise is exceptional with picks, getting a ready made star makes far more sense. For that reason the Bucks should definitely have grabbed Jaylen Brown with both hands. I think that Miami squad, at least the starting line up is formidable. The only shaky bit is Devion Mitchell, not sure he's good enough as point guard but absolutely every other spot is superb. And they have Spo. So I think barring injuries they will be a very very serious contender next season in my opinion. When I think about teams that might consider going for the picks? OKC, SAS, Houston? Can't think of too many more who generally nail it with their picks.

The major part of any team is the closer..Butler was their previous closer. If you expect Wiggins to be the closer Well

 

[the AntiPusher]

I hear you. Although I think the Warriors thing is a bit unfair. I get that older players get injured, but we're talking about an ACL and collapsed kneecap. Both of those are freakish injuries and not really age related. I think Steph's runners knee could be argued as an old age thing. My point is that it's fair to say that the Warriors had a deeply flawed old squad AND still say they were extremely unlucky has season. Anyway I really want to see what Dunleavy does with the 11th pick. I think he's actually done a superior job to Myers (criminally overrated in my opinion), and this is his first chance with a relatively high pick. I've been living in fear they'll trade that pick. Please please no!

PS, I don't want Kawhi, I don't want Lebron.

On contraire..if you put a healthy Kawhi with a healthy Step in the playoffs OMG..I would take that..even lebron is still a beast..hey I was wrong again..but not by that much..I said Randle would be shipped to Sacramento well going to the Nets is close enough..Twolves gave him away for a couple cans of Vienna sausages…the folks in the US know what I am talking about

 

[the AntiPusher]

That’s possible. Like FB, I am interested to see what Giannis does with an elite coach and an actual winning culture. They definitely have a terrifying frontcourt. If they aren’t serious contenders already they are probably pretty close.

Darth..Miami don’t have anyone who can shoot but Norman Powell..I doubt they are gonna be able to keep him..unless Pat Riley have some South American snow money for the owner in reserve, they don’t have any cash

 

[DarthFed]

On contraire..if you put a healthy Kawhi with a healthy Step in the playoffs OMG..I would take that..even lebron is still a beast..hey I was wrong again..but not by that much..I said Randle would be shipped to Sacramento well going to the Nets is close enough..Twolves gave him away for a couple cans of Vienna sausages…the folks in the US know what I am talking about

I was thinking the same thing about Randle. Traded his ass for a crappy footlong from Subway and a bag of chips!

 

[the AntiPusher]

I was thinking the same thing about Randle. Traded his ass for a crappy footlong from Subway and a bag of chips!

You are being too kind..subway is much better than a can of Vienna sausage in a can..jajaja they resigned Ayo which indicates they are going up tempo with their talented wings players while Rudy takes up precious space in the middle..if they could pry KD or a kawahi to compliment Antman it would be a Godsend..this draft tonight is gonna be legendary..whomever gets Peterson may have at the very least a Cade Cunningham

 

[DarthFed]

On contraire..if you put a healthy Kawhi with a healthy Step in the playoffs OMG..I would take that..even lebron is still a beast..hey I was wrong again..but not by that much..I said Randle would be shipped to Sacramento well going to the Nets is close enough..Twolves gave him away for a couple cans of Vienna sausages…the folks in the US know what I am talking about

A healthy Kawhi is an oxymoron. You’re more likely to get Pegasus to take you to the moon at this point. The Warriors getting LeBron for relatively cheap would obviously help them but they’d be going for the oldest team in sports history at this point. And I still doubt you’ll ever see LeBron take a pay cut. That man’s ego is about as big as his bank account. The Warriors getting him isn’t enough for them to win anyways.

 

[Federberg]

A healthy Kawhi is an oxymoron. You’re more likely to get Pegasus to take you to the moon at this point. The Warriors getting LeBron for relatively cheap would obviously help them but they’d be going for the oldest team in sports history at this point. And I still doubt you’ll ever see LeBron take a pay cut. That man’s ego is about as big as his bank account. The Warriors getting him isn’t enough for them to win anyways.

if Lebron was there it wouldn't be about basketball, or the Warriors. No thanks! Don't get me wrong, purely on basketball reasons he fits with Steph. But it wouldn't be that way. We all know that. So nein, nyet, no.... NO!!!!!!

 

[Federberg]

I was thinking the same thing about Randle. Traded his ass for a crappy footlong from Subway and a bag of chips!

apparently Randle was sulking like a teenager since the All Star break because of trade rumours. Complete fool. He actually seemed to be getting better in the first half of the season. Anyway.. he probably still has a place in New York so it probably works for his family. Let's be honest... New York or Minnesota

 

[Federberg]

On contraire..if you put a healthy Kawhi with a healthy Step in the playoffs OMG..I would take that..even lebron is still a beast..hey I was wrong again..but not by that much..I said Randle would be shipped to Sacramento well going to the Nets is close enough..Twolves gave him away for a couple cans of Vienna sausages…the folks in the US know what I am talking about

I love Kawhi. When he's on, he's one of the most terrifying players out there. But I'm sorry.. if you're going to get an old guy get someone likely to actually be fit enough to play. I simply cannot believe that the Warriors front office would be that stupid

 

[the AntiPusher]

A healthy Kawhi is an oxymoron. You’re more likely to get Pegasus to take you to the moon at this point. The Warriors getting LeBron for relatively cheap would obviously help them but they’d be going for the oldest team in sports history at this point. And I still doubt you’ll ever see LeBron take a pay cut. That man’s ego is about as big as his bank account. The Warriors getting him isn’t enough for them to win anyways.

Its like playing craps.. a healthy Kawhi is a roll of the dice. heck. that's the only option that Step and the Dubs have now. I disagree with @Federberg about Mike Dunleavy moves since Bob Myers left unless he can get Kawhi or Lebron.

 

[the AntiPusher]

apparently Randle was sulking like a teenager since the All Star break because of trade rumours. Complete fool. He actually seemed to be getting better in the first half of the season. Anyway.. he probably still has a place in New York so it probably works for his family. Let's be honest... New York or Minnesota

Randle has a very low basketball IQ to be a veteran.. he has made his bag as an overrated #1, 2 or 3 options. the Twolves were perfect for him but he messed it up.. All he had to do was stay in his lane but as you said he got caught up into his feelings like a teenage girl

 

[Federberg]

Its like playing craps.. a healthy Kawhi is a roll of the dice. heck. that's the only option that Step and the Dubs have now. I disagree with @Federberg about Mike Dunleavy moves since Bob Myers left unless he can get Kawhi or Lebron.

we can agree to disagree. Lacob plays into some of the decisions, otherwise Kuminga would have been gone ages ago. A lot of what gets credited to Myers was actually influenced by Jerry West. At least Dunleavy has been decent with the second round picks. This is actually the highest pick Dunleavy has had a shot at. As a Dubs fan, I was personally delighted with the Jimmy Butler trade.

I will credit Myers for the Andrew Wiggins trade. That one worked beautifully. But let's not kid ourselves. I'll trust a former player over a former players agent in knowing what a good NBA level player looks like

 

[the AntiPusher]

we can agree to disagree. Lacob plays into some of the decisions, otherwise Kuminga would have been gone ages ago. A lot of what gets credited to Myers was actually influenced by Jerry West. At least Dunleavy has been decent with the second round picks. This is actually the highest pick Dunleavy has had a shot at. As a Dubs fan, I was personally delighted with the Jimmy Butler trade.

I will credit Myers for the Andrew Wiggins trade. That one worked beautifully. But let's not kid ourselves. I'll trust a former player over a former players agent in knowing what a good NBA level player looks like

Yes Myers got lucky with Wiggins and I did not like Dunleavy moving Wiggins for Butler. they could have move Kuminga and Pods. I think when the moved his buddy Poole that was not good for his moral. I "fault" Steve Kerr as my fellow Chicagoans used their slang English for Kerr not developing that team during the Dynasty. Kerr is a great coach for Dray and da Lighted skinned Splash Brothas but not for developing rookies and free agent moral. Yeah, Lacobs had his nose in the way but a coach is suppose to handle his business. Steve Kerr has almost a Royal straight flush with the back to back Dubs but could hold it together but got lucky with Poole and Wiggins. I guess he did the best he could