2019 Crystal Ball Thread

[Front242]

The crystal ball thread has been changed into a fierce Fedal war, like many others.
You guys are hopeless.

Unfortunately, a Djokovic fan is to blame if you scroll back a few pages.

 

[atttomole]

This is unlikely to have helped as much as you think. They rarely have played the same tune-up, and have spent most of their careers on opposite sides of the draw at Wimbledon. Even a much better Nadal would have been unlikely to have played Federer 8 more times since 2011 (it was Roger who missed the date in 2010, don't forget,) much less 14 more times. Your claim makes no sense, yet some "liked" it without even thinking about it.



Not when it took him as long as it did to pass them. This is a completely different narrative than the ones contained in the Nadal/Federer H2H. That one has been all Ralph, up until last year. And not just on clay. And terrible at Majors.

And in the spirit of this thread: I think Ralph and Fred will meet next year and Rafa takes him both times.

Federer played a lot on clay vs Nadal losing most of the matches, with Nadal getting a psychological advantage. I wish they had played a bit more on grass, excluding Wimbledon, but grass has no Masters tournaments. Imagine what the dynamics would have been if they had met at Halle several times. I am sure Nadal would have suffered many losses there against Federer. That would have helped Federer not only psychologically, but also with H2H.

 

[Front242]

Federer played a lot on clay vs Nadal losing most of the matches, with Nadal getting a psychological advantage. I wish they had played a bit more on grass, excluding Wimbledon, but grass has no Masters tournaments. Imagine what the dynamics would have been if they had met at Halle several times. I am sure Nadal would have suffered many losses there against Federer. That wound have helped Federer not only psychologically, but also with H2H.

No matter how much we keep telling the Nadal camp this they just ignore it and boast about the h2h, and they really only have clay to hang back on now. Pretty sad stuff.

 

[herios]

Unfortunately, a Djokovic fan is to blame if you scroll back a few pages.

Oh really?
As far as I see it, we do not participate.

 

[Front242]

Oh really?
As far as I see it, we do not participate.

Here you go

https://www.tennisfrontier.com/tennisforum/threads/2019-crystal-ball-thread.6250/page-4#post-362084

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

Oh really?
As far as I see it, we do not participate.

The derailment occurred due to Fiero

 

[Moxie]

Federer played a lot on clay vs Nadal losing most of the matches, with Nadal getting a psychological advantage. I wish they had played a bit more on grass, excluding Wimbledon, but grass has no Masters tournaments. Imagine what the dynamics would have been if they had met at Halle several times. I am sure Nadal would have suffered many losses there against Federer. That would have helped Federer not only psychologically, but also with H2H.

Nadal was beating Federer early and not only on grass. It would likely have helped Roger if they'd played more and earlier on grass, too, but could have helped Nadal improve sooner, too, which would likely have given him the '07 Wimbledon, as well.

I think Nadal's psychological advantage was pretty much an inevitability. I know you're sorry there isn't a MS on grass, but there isn't. And I don't think it really would have helped Roger enough.

 

[DarthFed]

Nadal was beating Federer early and not only on grass. It would likely have helped Roger if they'd played more and earlier on grass, too, but could have helped Nadal improve sooner, too, which would likely have given him the '07 Wimbledon, as well.

I think Nadal's psychological advantage was pretty much an inevitability. I know you're sorry there isn't a MS on grass, but there isn't. And I don't think it really would have helped Roger enough.

The fact that they play Wimbledon on grass's version of Madrid clay is a big part of why Rafa has had small success there. But still the loss in 08 gets more pathetic by the year, despite what Ralph fans say it is a loss that aged incredibly bad when we see Nadal getting pounced year after year by scrubs. And a big part of that loss was due to the psychological damage of the clay losses, particularly RG 08. If they had a grass MS at Halle or Queens it stands to reason that the H2H would be closer if Nadal even managed to get to the late stages which is definitely in doubt. He is worthless on real grass.

 

[Carol]

The fact that they play Wimbledon on grass's version of Madrid clay is a big part of why Rafa has had small success there. But still the loss in 08 gets more pathetic by the year, despite what Ralph fans say it is a loss that aged incredibly bad when we see Nadal getting pounced year after year by scrubs. And a big part of that loss was due to the psychological damage of the clay losses, particularly RG 08. If they had a grass MS at Halle or Queens it stands to reason that the H2H would be closer if Nadal even managed to get to the late stages which is definitely in doubt. He is worthless on real grass.

He did beat Federer in 2008 on real grass, now tell me that it wasn’t........

 

[DarthFed]

He did beat Federer in 2008 on real grass, now tell me that it wasn’t........

That is garbage grass. But inexcusable loss anyways, that's my point.

 

[Front242]

He did beat Federer in 2008 on real grass, now tell me that it wasn’t........

The pathetic performance he put forward at RG 2008 is mostly the reason he lost that match and he couldn't train properly in the off season before 2008 began and in the early months due to your favourite "mono". Not an excuse as you could see he was sweating like Michael Jackson in the kindergarten for much of the first few months in 2008 along with a myriad of pathetic losses to guys he'd never lost to before.

The 52 unforced errors helped somewhat too.

 

[Moxie]

The pathetic performance he put forward at RG 2008 is mostly the reason he lost that match and he couldn't train properly in the off season before 2008 began and in the early months due to your favourite "mono". Not an excuse as you could see he was sweating like Michael Jackson in the kindergarten for much of the first few months in 2008 along with a myriad of pathetic losses to guys he'd never lost to before.

The 52 unforced errors helped somewhat too.

Ok, we really have hijacked a thread about 2019, and we're back to 2008. We do have a Fedal wars thread for this. I will continue it over there, if anyone cares to join me.

 

[Front242]

Ok, we really have hijacked a thread about 2019, and we're back to 2008. We do have a Fedal wars thread for this. I will continue it over there, if anyone cares to join me.

Fine by me I agree it is a shame all these threads get derailed but it was a Djokovic fan/one time Federer fan turned total Fed hater who started this mess. What's sad is he's even admitted he's gonna abandon Djokovic in a few years as soon as he starts losing too much. That's not how real fans work.

 

[Fiero425]

Here you go

https://www.tennisfrontier.com/tennisforum/threads/2019-crystal-ball-thread.6250/page-4#post-362084

TOTAL BS! You don't know $#!t! :cuckoo: o_O

 

[Carol]

Crap is what you, Fiero and someones else are constantly posting, stupid and embarrassing and ridiculous comments which are not going any place, only showing your hatred to one player who deserves more respect and admiration but your fanatism doesn’t allow you to see more far than your nose, pity!

The pathetic performance he put forward at RG 2008 is mostly the reason he lost that match and he couldn't train properly in the off season before 2008 began and in the early months due to your favourite "mono". Not an excuse as you could see he was sweating like Michael Jackson in the kindergarten for much of the first few months in 2008 along with a myriad of pathetic losses to guys he'd never lost to before.

The 52 unforced errors helped somewhat too.

Pathetic performance? watch the match again and you will see how much Federer fought to win and how well he was running all over the court but his opponent had the decision to win playing a great game and confident so......take it instead of to cry like a baby

 

[Front242]

Pathetic performance? watch the match again and you will see how much Federer fought to win and how well he was running all over the court but his opponent had the decision to win playing a great game and confident so......take it instead of to cry like a baby

They both played pathetic for much of set 1 actually and he didn't fight at all or the score wouldn't have been what it was. He clearly gave up after set 2. Anyway, take this to the Fedal Wars thread and not here and no one is crying like a baby.

The more I read my post, the more it's clear you didn't understand it. The pathetic performance was RG 2008 and the part of my post above where I said they were both pathetic for much of set 1 is describing RG 2008 also. Of course Federer fought to win Wimbledon 2008 but he played crap for 2.5 sets (he was actually ahead 4-1 in set 2 and lost the set). Anyway, I'm not discussing that in this thread.

 

[atttomole]

Nadal was beating Federer early and not only on grass. It would likely have helped Roger if they'd played more and earlier on grass, too, but could have helped Nadal improve sooner, too, which would likely have given him the '07 Wimbledon, as well.

I think Nadal's psychological advantage was pretty much an inevitability. I know you're sorry there isn't a MS on grass, but there isn't. And I don't think it really would have helped Roger enough.

Maybe if they were to play in a Masters on a grass surface like Wimbledon now. If they were to play Halle, I don't think Nadal would have won a single match against Federer.

 

[Moxie]

Maybe if they were to play in a Masters on a grass surface like Wimbledon now. If they were to play Halle, I don't think Nadal would have won a single match against Federer.

But they didn't usually play Halle at the same time. That happened maybe twice? What you guys want is a tennis calendar that doesn't exist. I'm sorry you're unhappy, but I don't know what to say. If the world were different, it would be different.

As to this thread, I also predict there won't be more tennis tournaments on grass in 2019, either.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Nadal was beating Federer early and not only on grass. It would likely have helped Roger if they'd played more and earlier on grass, too, but could have helped Nadal improve sooner, too, which would likely have given him the '07 Wimbledon, as well.

I think Nadal's psychological advantage was pretty much an inevitability. I know you're sorry there isn't a MS on grass, but there isn't. And I don't think it really would have helped Roger enough.

But they didn't usually play Halle at the same time. That happened maybe twice? What you guys want is a tennis calendar that doesn't exist. I'm sorry you're unhappy, but I don't know what to say. If the world were different, it would be different.

As to this thread, I also predict there won't be more tennis tournaments on grass in 2019, either.

Who has hacked Moxie's account? he's finally starting to write good posts.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

But they didn't usually play Halle at the same time.

The post to which you were responding clearly said what if Halle was a Masters event. Then, Ralph would have been required to play in it just like all other top players as the Masters tourneys are mandatory.