2025 French Open Men's Final: Yannik Sinner vs. Carlos Alcaraz

[Federberg]

I honestly don't understand how choking apples for this one

 

[kskate2]

poor Bean. he's been cerying

 

[El Dude]

Jannick didn't lose MPs on his serve. He wen for shots, he was nervous, it was obvious, but I can't say he really choked it. Could he played it better? Yes. He had serve after, but Carlos was all over him by then like a pitbull. This is tennis.

Sure: great players are hard to put down. But great players also find a way to hold two-set, two-to-one-set, three match point leads. Not only did Jannik blow those three match points, but then he lost serve. I'd call that a choke.

And yeah, despite his demeanor, nerves got to him. So while it may be a choke, it is an understandable one (sort of like Roger at 2019 WImbledon, but less heart-breaking because Jannik is 23 and will have plenty more chances).

I think also Alcaraz's ability to accelerate to a higher level and put pressure on his opponent is pretty ridiculous. Reminiscent of Rafa and Novak.

 

[Moxie]

Everyone is too exhausted even to spell.

 

[don_fabio]

poor Bean. he's been cerying

he has a lot to process, ban, MPs..

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

poor Bean. he's been cerying

Hard lesson but that is tennis for you, he will be okay.

 

[El Dude]

All that said, I'm not worried for Jannik going into Wimbledon, in terms of the mental impact of this one.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Sure: great players are hard to put down. But great players also find a way to hold two-set, two-to-one-set, three match point leads. Not only did Jannik blow those three match points, but then he lost serve. I'd call that a choke.

And yeah, despite his demeanor, nerves got to him. So while it may be a choke, it is an understandable one (sort of like Roger at 2019 WImbledon, but less heart-breaking because Jannik is 23 and will have plenty more chances).

I think also Alcaraz's ability to accelerate to a higher level and put pressure on his opponent is pretty ridiculous. Reminiscent of Rafa and Novak.

When the chips are down Carlos has this higher ceiling' he can go to, I have seen it many times in the past and today in this match

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

All that said, I'm not worried for Jannik going into Wimbledon, in terms of the mental impact of this one.

Either am I, he will be disappointed for sure, he has a great team around him, he will reset

 

[Front242]

But Sinner hung with him and even broke back, so you were wrong.

Yes, I was expecting 6-2 or 6-3 tbh but I was 100% correct when I said he lost the match when he lost the 3 match points where you replied "oh please". That was the time any live betters would have whacked a ton of cash on Alcaraz 'cos it was a done deal.

Plus he couldn't hang with him at all in the 10 point tiebreak so I wasn't wrong.

 

[PhiEaglesfan712]

All that said, I'm not worried for Jannik going into Wimbledon, in terms of the mental impact of this one.

I am. If he cannot handle the pressure there, Wimbledon is going to be a lot tougher. He's not going to beat Djokovic if they meet there. This is the first time Jannik has been in this situation. Novak has been there and done that so many times.

And remember, Wimbledon is a place where upsets can happen. All it takes is a great serving performance. Ask Novak himself, he was beaten by Sam Querrey in R3 one year. I won't be surprised if something like that happened to Jannik.

 

[El Dude]

When the chips are down Carlos has this higher ceiling' he can go to, I have seen it many times in the past and today in this match

I almost don't see it as a higher level, but more a turbo charge that he can apply when he most needs it.

 

[don_fabio]

Sure: great players are hard to put down. But great players also find a way to hold two-set, two-to-one-set, three match point leads. Not only did Jannik blow those three match points, but then he lost serve. I'd call that a choke.

And yeah, despite his demeanor, nerves got to him. So while it may be a choke, it is an understandable one (sort of like Roger at 2019 WImbledon, but less heart-breaking because Jannik is 23 and will have plenty more chances).

I think also Alcaraz's ability to accelerate to a higher level and put pressure on his opponent is pretty ridiculous. Reminiscent of Rafa and Novak.

Ok, choke it is, but Feds choke was bigger because MPs were on his serve and on grass. Now Sinner will develop mental scars against Carlos, like Fed had against Novak.

 

[El Dude]

I am. If he cannot handle the pressure there, Wimbledon is going to be a lot tougher. He's not going to beat Djokovic if they meet there. This is the first time Jannik has been in this situation. Novak has been there and done that so many times.

And remember, Wimbledon is a place where upsets can happen. All it takes is a great serving performance. Ask Novak himself, he was beaten by Sam Querrey in R3 one year. I won't be surprised if something like that happened to Jannik.

Novak is a distant third behind these two at this point, even at Wimbledon. IMO.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I almost don't see it as a higher level, but more a turbo charge that he can apply when he most needs it.

We will agree to call it a turbo charge then

 

[Federberg]

I almost don't see it as a higher level, but more a turbo charge that he can apply when he most needs it.

lol! "turbo charge".. isn't that just another way of saying he can achieve higher levels? Even if it's just periodically...

 

[El Dude]

We will agree to call it a turbo charge then

Haha, we can call it whatever. I just think turbo evokes the quality of Alcaraz's "special sauce."

 

[Moxie]

Sure: great players are hard to put down. But great players also find a way to hold two-set, two-to-one-set, three match point leads. Not only did Jannik blow those three match points, but then he lost serve. I'd call that a choke.

And yeah, despite his demeanor, nerves got to him. So while it may be a choke, it is an understandable one (sort of like Roger at 2019 WImbledon, but less heart-breaking because Jannik is 23 and will have plenty more chances).

I think also Alcaraz's ability to accelerate to a higher level and put pressure on his opponent is pretty ridiculous. Reminiscent of Rafa and Novak.

I don't think it's fair to call it a choke. There are swings in fortune, and both tightened up serving for it. Yes, he had a big lead. But he never went away in the 5th, either. People define "choke" differently, but I wouldn't put that on Jannik.

 

[El Dude]

lol! "turbo charge".. isn't that just another way of saying he can achieve higher levels? Even if it's just periodically...

Well, that's sort of what I mean: it is periodic, and comes out in bursts rather than a sustained level. But it is all semantics, really.

But it is almost like they're two cars with the same max speed, but Alcaraz is equipped with a turbo that lets him go from a resting 100 mph to 200 in a few seconds, while Sinner--who can also go 200--doesn't have that burst quality.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Haha, we can call it whatever. I just think turbo evokes the quality of Alcaraz's "special sauce."

At this point in time in my life, I would not mind Alcaraz's 'special sauce' just saying lol!