Which has been greater at the US Open: Nadal's overachieving or Djokovic's/Federer's underachieving?

[Front242]

nadal also a much cleaner player than Federer making less errors every match and that's a fact

I agree with you for once. It is indeed a fact but it's also a fact that Nadal makes way less errors 'cos he's content to merely keep the ball in play most of the time and wear his opponents down. That's obviously the kind of tennis Nadal fans prefer but for fans of attacking tennis it sucks. Clearly, yes, you will make a lot more errors if you go for your shots more and attempt to end the points sooner by going for winners. That's not rocket science 'cos they won't all end up winners.

 

[Andy22]

I agree with you for once. It is indeed a fact but it's also a fact that Nadal makes way less errors 'cos he's content to merely keep the ball in play most of the time and wear his opponents down. That's obviously the kind of tennis Nadal fans prefer but for fans of attacking tennis it sucks. Clearly, yes, you will make a lot more errors if you go for your shots more and attempt to end the points sooner by going for winners. That's not rocket science 'cos they won't all end up winners.

yea will the fact that Federer plays this attacking tennis and still won 20 slams shows how great he is anyway I'm starting to feel weird praising Federer and nadal will be back to show you+everyone he play well indoors.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

I agree with you for once. It is indeed a fact but it's also a fact that Nadal makes way less errors 'cos he's content to merely keep the ball in play most of the time and wear his opponents down. That's obviously the kind of tennis Nadal fans prefer but for fans of attacking tennis it sucks. Clearly, yes, you will make a lot more errors if you go for your shots more and attempt to end the points sooner by going for winners. That's not rocket science 'cos they won't all end up winners.

Sorry but the idea that Nadal is someone who merely keeps the ball in play and doesn't play attacking tennis makes you look like a fool. Nadal is a very offensive player, in fact his winners are some of the most spectacular in tennis bringing crowds to their feet for minutes. He attacks with his backhand, forehand and also always looks to move forward to the net.

Just because he doesn't play mindless tennis ending the point in 2 shots like Federer doesn't mean he's not offensive. Nadal is extremely smart in terms of strategy, building points and having game plans depending on his opponents. But make no mistake, he's a very offensive player with huge groundstrokes and power and always looks to finish points but without brainless attacking.

 

[Andy22]

Sorry but the idea that Nadal is someone who merely keeps the ball in play and doesn't play attacking tennis makes you look like a fool. Nadal is a very offensive player, in fact his winners are some of the most spectacular in tennis bringing crowds to their feet for minutes. He attacks with his backhand, forehand and also always looks to move forward to the net.

Just because he doesn't play mindless tennis ending the point in 2 shots like Federer doesn't mean he's not offensive. Nadal is extremely smart in terms of strategy, building points and having game plans depending on his opponents. But make no mistake, he's a very offensive player with huge groundstrokes and power and always looks to finish points but without brainless attacking.

Yea Thats one of the big reasons why Nadal overall better+smarter from the baseline than Federer, also the reason Federer struggled so much against Nadal for most of they careers and now Djokovic your clearly one the best posters I seen on this forum.

 

[Front242]

Sorry but the idea that Nadal is someone who merely keeps the ball in play and doesn't play attacking tennis makes you look like a fool. Nadal is a very offensive player, in fact his winners are some of the most spectacular in tennis bringing crowds to their feet for minutes. He attacks with his backhand, forehand and also always looks to move forward to the net.

Just because he doesn't play mindless tennis ending the point in 2 shots like Federer doesn't mean he's not offensive. Nadal is extremely smart in terms of strategy, building points and having game plans depending on his opponents. But make no mistake, he's a very offensive player with huge groundstrokes and power and always looks to finish points but without brainless attacking.

I said content to merely keep the ball in play most of the time, genius so it's actually YOU who is the fool for not being able to read properly. Anyone with half a brain knows he's nowhere near as aggressive as Federer and neither is Djokovic and the winner count is proof of that. Of course Nadal plays attacking tennis too but it's not his bread and butter and it's not what's won him most of his slams. LOL at mindless tennis ending the point in 2 shots btw. That's called skill and if Nadal could do that more often he would, believe me.

Nadal plays way longer matches than Federer on average and that's no coincidence because of how he plays. You prefer that style of play but many of us here don't but it's idiotic to proclaim he's a very offensive player. He's not. His winner count is proof of that. That's not to say he doesn't play aggressive points but it's not his main game style and only an idiot would think it is as aggressive players don't spend all day on court.

 

[Andy22]

I said content to merely keep the ball in play most of the time, genius so it's actually YOU who is the fool for not being able to read properly. Anyone with half a brain knows he's nowhere near as aggressive as Federer and neither is Djokovic and the winner count is proof of that. Of course Nadal plays attacking tennis too but it's not his bread and butter and it's not what's won him most of his slams. LOL at mindless tennis ending the point in 2 shots btw. That's called skill and if Nadal could do that more often he would, believe me.

Nadal plays way longer matches than Federer on average and that's no coincidence because of how he plays. You prefer that style of play but many of us here don't but it's idiotic to proclaim he's a very offensive player. He's not. His winner count is proof of that. That's not to say he doesn't play aggressive points but it's not his main game style and only an idiot would think it is as aggressive players don't spend all day on court.

All of the big 3 game styles work really well no need to pick on them just be happy, and its nothing in the goat race, which you already know that I think going to happen.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

I said content to merely keep the ball in play most of the time, genius so it's actually YOU who is the fool for not being able to read properly. Anyone with half a brain knows he's nowhere near as aggressive as Federer and neither is Djokovic and the winner count is proof of that. Of course Nadal plays attacking tennis too but it's not his bread and butter and it's not what's won him most of his slams. LOL at mindless tennis ending the point in 2 shots btw. That's called skill and if Nadal could do that more often he would, believe me.

Nadal plays way longer matches than Federer on average and that's no coincidence because of how he plays. You prefer that style of play but many of us here don't but it's idiotic to proclaim he's a very offensive player. He's not. His winner count is proof of that. That's not to say he doesn't play aggressive points but it's not his main game style and only an idiot would think it is as aggressive players don't spend all day on court.

Every shot Nadal hits has a purpose. So no he isn’t content to just put the ball in play most of the time.

 

[brokenshoelace]

This discussion is ridiculous. The idea that Nadal just looks to keep the ball in play most of the time is an incredibly limited claim and implies that if you’re not trying to hit a winner, you’re just trying to keep the ball in play. Genuinely wonder how anyone can watch tennis for years and actually believe this.

Amazingly, it’s only the second most ridiculous statement on this thread as someone claimed Federer plays mindless tennis.

 

[Front242]

This discussion is ridiculous. The idea that Nadal just looks to keep the ball in play most of the time is an incredibly limited claim and implies that if you’re not trying to hit a winner, you’re just trying to keep the ball in play. Genuinely wonder how anyone can watch tennis for years and actually believe this.

Amazingly, it’s only the second most ridiculous statement on this thread as someone claimed Federer plays mindless tennis.

Obviously it's not a case of not trying to hit a winner all the time. He's trying to wear his opponents down as I said and draw errors. It works and some people like that kind of tennis clearly but many of us can't stand it and rather see players trying to win the point outright on their own terms.

Obviously Nadal often hits great winners himself too but Nadalfan2013 claiming he's a very aggressive player is just nuts but then so is he so it all makes sense.

 

[Front242]

Every shot Nadal hits has a purpose. So no he isn’t content to just put the ball in play most of the time.

What about the ugly short balls when he goes all passive and nervous that just go pop up the air in the middle of the court? What's their purpose other than asking to get walloped back with interest?

 

[Andy22]

What about the ugly short balls when he goes all passive and nervous that just go pop up the air in the middle of the court? What's their purpose other than asking to get walloped back with interest?

No nadalfan2013 is right waiting for the right ball to hit a winner like nadal is a lot better+smarter than Federer who plays dumb tennis sometimes hitting the ball into the crowd trying end the point in 3 shots most of the time missing. it shows in they matches Federer hitting more winners and still loseing to nadal, like I said Djokovic/nadal game style is much better always.

 

[Front242]

No nadalfan2013 is right waiting for the right ball to hit a winner like nadal is a lot better+smarter than Federer who plays dumb tennis sometimes hitting the ball into the crowd trying end the point in 3 shots most of the time missing. it shows in they matches Federer hitting more winners and still loseing to nadal, like I said Djokovic/nadal game style is much better always.

Yet again no, neither of you are right although you're probably the same poster tbh. Do you even realize why Federer tries to end points fast against Nadal and Djokovic? Could it have something to do with him being 5/6 years older than both respectively? He knows a lot more than you do and that's why he doesn't try and rally all day with much younger opponents. It would be career suicide and risk a bad injury he wouldn't recover from at his age.

 

[Andy22]

Yet again no, neither of you are right although you're probably the same poster tbh. Do you even realize why Federer tries to end points fast against Nadal and Djokovic? Could it have something to do with him being 5/6 years older than both respectively? He knows a lot more than you do and that's why he doesn't try and rally all day with much younger opponents. It would be career suicide and risk a bad injury he wouldn't recover from at his age.

wantever like to see you say the something then nadal+djokovic both pass Federer

 

[Front242]

wantever like to see you say the something then nadal+djokovic both pass Federer

Even if that happens what the hell does that have to do with a 38 year old having the sense not to run around till the cows come home with guys 5 or 6 years younger than him?

 

[Andy22]

Even if that happens what the hell does that have to do with a 38 year old having the sense not to run around till the cows come home with guys 5 or 6 years younger than him?

it wil porve their [nadal Djokovic] game styles are better OMG

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Anyways back to the topic, Nadal actually has UNDERACHIEVED at the USO because he had to miss many years in his prime such as 2012, 2014, retiring during 2018, etc. And Federer/Djokovic have OVERACHIEVED there because they have been very lucky in terms of health and obviously because they played the USO a few years without King Rafa there. So the original poster has got it all wrong. :cuckoo:

 

[Front242]

Anyways back to the topic, Nadal actually has UNDERACHIEVED at the USO because he had to miss many years in his prime such as 2012, 2014, retiring during 2018, etc. And Federer/Djokovic have OVERACHIEVED there because they have been very lucky in terms of health and obviously because they played the USO a few years without King Rafa there. So the original poster has got it all wrong. :cuckoo:

LOL at Federer and Djokovic being luckier than Nadal at USO. Bullshit much? Federer missed it in 2016, was injured in 2013, 2017 (when he was the clear favourite if healthy) and 2019 so that's even worse than Nadal's luck there. He's been less lucky than Djokovic but that's it.

 

[Moxie]

What about the ugly short balls when he goes all passive and nervous that just go pop up the air in the middle of the court? What's their purpose other than asking to get walloped back with interest?

Those are not actually part of the strategy, and were, as you say, part of when Nadal's game when it was at it's least confident and successful. I might ask you the same about Roger's shanks. I know you're replying to a fannish post about "every" shot of Nadal's having purpose, but your claim that his whole strategy is to keep the ball in play and wait for the error is equally ridiculous and bears no resemblance to Nadal's game.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Those are not actually part of the strategy, and were, as you say, part of when Nadal's game when it was at it's least confident and successful. I might ask you the same about Roger's shanks. I know you're replying to a fannish post about "every" shot of Nadal's having purpose, but your claim that his whole strategy is to keep the ball in play and wait for the error is equally ridiculous and bears no resemblance to Nadal's game.

It's actually a shockingly ignorant claim but I really don't feel like getting into it since the thread is already littered with garbage.

And yes, Nadal is a very aggressive player.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

It's actually a shockingly ignorant claim but I really don't feel like getting into it since the thread is already littered with garbage.

And yes, Nadal is a very aggressive player.

This thread shouldn’t exist to begin with.