Internazionali BNL d'Italia, Rome ATP 1000, 2018

[DarthFed]

For you to think Rafa has a one dimensional game any more makes me realise your knowledge of tennis is seriously limited. Secondly how you get to Djokovic recovering being worse for Federer is quite beyond me. A dominant Djokovic will eventually stop Nadal in his tracks. He'll match Rafa on clay and along with Roger eliminate almost any chance Rafa has of winning slams off clay. It is unquestionably worse for Rafa than Roger if Novak regains his mojo, Federer simply has too many titles in the bank already anything accruing to Novak has to be worse for Rafa

I'm actually starting to believe the Fed fan version of Carol and Nadalgoat truly believes the stuff he's posting. It's pretty crazy.

 

[DarthFed]

Fed's got another slam or two in him and if he doesn't win Wimbledon or USO specially the former this year, that number drops to 0 or 1. Fed will be 37 next year and that is the new 30 of the present era.

I'm done limiting the guy, he's burned me in a good way on multiple occasions. Especially with the field being really weak right now he could win a lot more. And if he isn't winning more then Rafa probably at least catches him. My motto at 17 is that it was nothing if the pleb hits 18 and now it's 20 is nothing if the pleb hits 20 or 21. Of course it's extreme, even I acknowledge it but that NEEDS to be Roger's attitude. Convince himself he needs 21 or 22 more than these scrubs need their first. Not easy but there's the challenge.

 

[monfed]

I'm done limiting the guy, he's burned me in a good way on multiple occasions. Especially with the field being really weak right now he could win a lot more. And if he isn't winning more then Rafa probably at least catches him. My motto at 17 is that it was nothing if the pleb hits 18 and 20 is nothing if the pleb hits 20 or 21.

I never write off Fed either but I think 37/38 is a step too far. Fed can't go three tournaments in a row without his body breaking down, the magic will sadly end at some point. It's inevitable.

 

[DarthFed]

I never write off Fed either but I think 37/38 is a step too far. Fed can't go three tournaments in a row without his body breaking down, the magic will sadly end at some point. It's inevitable.

Of course at some point. Barring injury or complete loss of motivation it won't be soon. If he gets far enough ahead to guarantee the pleb can't track him down that'd be the first thing to make him retire. Aside from that there is work to be done.

 

[Moxie]

You know instead of giving a sarcastic reply, if you had actually acknowledged Nadull's disgusting endless luck, I would've taken you a little more seriously but as it stands you're just another run of the mill Fed hating dull fangirl.

Rather rich coming from a Nadal-hating fanboy. When you've been around longer, you'll realize I don't hate Federer. Anyway, you do inspire sarcasm. I'll be up all night worrying that you don't take me seriously.

As far as luck, no one lucks into the kind of success that Rafa has been enjoying. Talent, commitment and a champion's mentality are involved as well, amongst other things. I'm wondering, what is the one-dimension you think his game does have?

 

[Federberg]

I always find it funny when someone who doesn't know what they're talking about confronts my tennis knowledge. Usually when somebody does that they instantly regret it, you're not the first and probably won't be the last.

you're funny. Haven't met a Fed-troll before. It irks me to be forced to point out Nadal's qualities. Kudos to you for forcing this on me. I eat troll meat for breakfast

 

[Moxie]

Poor guy has done alright for himself. But #17 is right around the corner and there is no decent clay courter in sight. Rafa is probably finishing with 14+ so Roger has got to keep that greed up high. 23 slams should do the trick and hopefully break the spirit of the island boy.

I know you fret constantly that Nadal might actually catch up. To take one of monfed's points slightly seriously, a completely renewed Djokovic IS a threat to stop Fed winning many/any more. @Federberg rightly says that Novak won't ever catch Fed, so that's not the threat. But as he also rightly says, he's a threat to Nadal's winning many more, too. It should even out. If he doesn't get back to fully winning ways, then maybe you can worry about that fisherman from Mallorca.

 

[Moxie]

you're funny. Haven't met a Fed-troll before. It irks me to be forced to point out Nadal's qualities. Kudos to you for forcing this on me. I eat troll meat for breakfast

It is funny how the trolls unite us and find us defending our rivals. I believe that the non-trolls amongst us respect and admire the other two who are the biggest rivals to our favorites. (Even Darth, though he'd be loathe to admit it. )

 

[monfed]

Of course at some point. Barring injury or complete loss of motivation it won't be soon. If he gets far enough ahead to guarantee the pleb can't track him down that'd be the first thing to make him retire. Aside from that there is work to be done.

The problem is that Fed isn't as committed about keeping the slam record safe from dull's disgusting reach as much as his fans are. We saw that from his attitude last year after winning Wimbledon where he basically called it a season after winning Wimbledon. If he was hungrier, he would've been more committed to winning USO and played just Cincy and USO rather than bullshitting his way to Montreal, injuring his back and them chumping out at USO.

 

[Federberg]

Yes, Nadull IS a one dimensional, glorified clay specialist who wouldn't have won more than 1 or 2 RGs in the 90s and earlier eras and have success anywhere close to what he has now but that is for another topic and another day. Even on clay, he needs the sun out, the clay to be dry, a tired opponent, ton of luck, be fresh himself, waste time between points and have every single advantage in the rallies from being a left hander(FH to BH being the obvious one) to get a clean win and he STILL cannot get a clean win. What a joke! Even today Faker should've won that first set and from there it's anybody's game.

you're just making yourself sound silly mate. Sorry. I repeat if you think Rafa is one dimensional then I suggest you take up watching ping pong because you're absolutely clueless about tennis. You're seriously trying to compare Rafa to who in the 90s exactly? Bruguera? Courier? Are you really being serious or just spouting off nonsense without actually thinking? Let me guess in your delusion you would still expect Federer to beat those guys right? If the extent of Rafa's success is down to the sun being out he wouldn't have won the titles he's won mate. That's just dumb. Seriously sort yourself out

 

[DarthFed]

I know you fret constantly that Nadal might actually catch up. To take one of monfed's points slightly seriously, a completely renewed Djokovic IS a threat to stop Fed winning many/any more. @Federberg rightly says that Novak won't ever catch Fed, so that's not the threat. But as he also rightly says, he's a threat to Nadal's winning many more, too. It should even out. If he doesn't get back to fully winning ways, then maybe you can worry about that fisherman from Mallorca.

I'd love if Nole came back full force. I think his disappearance is the main thing that breathed life into Nadal. Sure he'd be a big threat to Fed but he is built to destroy Rafa when he's in full force.

With that said he isn't coming back. He may get back to a good level but even that's in doubt.

 

[DarthFed]

The problem is that Fed isn't as committed about keeping the slam record safe from dull's disgusting reach as much as his fans are. We saw that from his attitude last year after winning Wimbledon where he basically called it a season after winning Wimbledon. If he was hungrier, he would've been more committed to winning USO and played just Cincy and USO rather than bullshitting his way to Montreal, injuring his back and them chumping out at USO.

Hunger wasn't his issue last year. Stupidity, arrogance, impatience was as that led to Montreal decision.

 

[monfed]

Hunger wasn't his issue last year. Stupidity, arrogance, impatience was as that led to Montreal decision.

No hunger was the issue because he himself said that winning 3 slams in a year is too much and had mentally called it a season at Wimbledon . You can find Fed's quote on that.

 

[Federberg]

As far as faker being a bigger threat to Fed than dull...were you in a coma in 2014-2016? I'm pretty sure faker did more damage to Fed than dull in that period aside from RG 15 where Nadull was simply not himself. If eggovic is giving fits to a well playing dull on slow clay even for a set, that means he's well on his way to recovery and winning bigger on faster tournaments, that includes grass and HC which is encroaching on Fed's territory. Fed hasn't beaten faker in a slam since Wimbledon 2012, let that sink in. Fed has grown a phobia of playing faker and that will come back to bite him if he plays him at Wimbledon and USO.

You're not particularly smart are you? Federer didn't beat anyone in the period. The fact that it was Djokovic in the way is not that relevant, if it wasn't him it would have been someone else. I'm just glad we were spared Rafa cleaning his clock in that period. It might have driven him from the sport. Carrying niggling injuries, not getting used to the new racquet and adopting his new more aggressive strategy would have done for him against pretty much anyone. We all lived in the hope that he would be able to just get through the draw and fall on a win, but let's not kid ourselves. The Federer we saw last year I would happily match against Novak in his pomp. That would have been something to see. Seeing as Roger still managed to give him a run for a money I would have been fairly optimistic. Perhaps it's not so much Rafa who's one dimensional. Perhaps it's your thinking? Any one with even a few brain cells would realise that a Novak returned to form would do more damage to Rafa's ability to acquire more slams than to Federer. The reason is quite simple, Federer doesn't need more slams Rafa has to catch him. Next time you need basic direction just say please. I'll be more than happy to assist

 

[Moxie]

I'd love if Nole came back full force. I think his disappearance is the main thing that breathed life into Nadal. Sure he'd be a big threat to Fed but he is built to destroy Rafa when he's in full force.

With that said he isn't coming back. He may get back to a good level but even that's in doubt.

I wouldn't call it the main thing, but I have said that it helped Nadal that Djokovic was out of the AO last year, while he was getting his legs back under him. IIRC, Djoker was in his half. But the motivation to come back is all his. And so is the tennis. I do agree that he's really the only player that has gotten really under Rafa's skin. I think you could even see today that Rafa started tight against him.

I don't think you can say that Novak isn't coming back. He looked miles better today than he has done. What I will say is that this period in the wilderness has exposed a Djokovic weakness that I've said all along: he's not the mentally toughest guy out there. When he was winning everything, the commies loved to praise his mental stamina. And I'm not saying that it didn't take a lot of that to pull off the Nole Slam, for example. But he has always had more inclination to get frustrated than either of Fedal, and let it affect his game.

 

[Federberg]

Ofcourse faker can beat dull like a drum and should be as he's the better player but it doesn't really harm him unless it's at RG. Sure USO has become dull's home away from RG due to the disgusting and scandalous court tampering and losing to faker there wouldn't be pleasant but it hardly hurts Nadull in the overall picture as he's already filled his quota of slams for the year at RG. However, if faker beats Fed at Wimbledon, then that could potentially derail Fed's entire season. By the time Wimbledon arrives, Faker would be in top flight form and could upset Fed there. USO will be even worse for Fed as faker will be much stronger there and Fed's form in 2018 has been shitty to say the least.

Sorry mate but the USO is not Rafa's home away from home. I think he's at a serious disadvantage if he has to face either Novak or Federer there. You're taking one event last year to build your argument. That's not even statistical. It's just silly. As for Novak facing Roger at Wimbledon. Bring it on. It's not surprising that you don't realise the dynamic would be different if they faced each other with Federer playing the way he has in the last 18 months. How could you know? Your tennis knowledge is limited to name calling and fan-tarding

 

[monfed]

You're not particularly smart are you? Federer didn't beat anyone in the period. The fact that it was Djokovic in the way is not that relevant, if it wasn't him it would have been someone else. I'm just glad we were spared Rafa cleaning his clock in that period. It might have driven him from the sport. Carrying niggling injuries, not getting used to the new racquet and adopting his new more aggressive strategy would have done for him against pretty much anyone. We all lived in the hope that he would be able to just get through the draw and fall on a win, but let's not kid ourselves. The Federer we saw last year I would happily match against Novak in his pomp. That would have been something to see. Seeing as Roger still managed to give him a run for a money I would have been fairly optimistic. Perhaps it's not so much Rafa who's one dimensional. Perhaps it's your thinking? Any one with even a few brain cells would realise that a Novak returned to form would do more damage to Rafa's ability to acquire more slams than to Federer. The reason is quite simple, Federer doesn't need more slams Rafa has to catch him. Next time you need basic direction just say please. I'll be more than happy to assist

I don't know wtf you're talking about but it's starting to piss me off. Fed would've won Wimbledon 14, 15 and USO 15 had it not been for faker. That's 3 slams right there and would've ended dull's slam chase in 2015 itself.

Sure Fed will be the favourite going into their match at Wimbledon and potentially USO this year but if he screws up at Wimbledon vs faker because of the mental edge that crocodilovic has gained over the three wins and starts choking like he was against Delpotro, it'll be over faster than you think.

 

[monfed]

Sorry mate but the USO is not Rafa's home away from home. I think he's at a serious disadvantage if he has to face either Novak or Federer there. You're taking one event last year to build your argument. That's not even statistical. It's just silly. As for Novak facing Roger at Wimbledon. Bring it on. It's not surprising that you don't realise the dynamic would be different if they faced each other with Federer playing the way he has in the last 18 months. How could you know? Your tennis knowledge is limited to name calling and fan-tarding

You're the one engaging in ad-hominem because the facts are against you. Dull has won 3 USOs since 2008, the last year Fed won USO. Infact Nadull has more USOs than faker even. Fed hasn't won a USO since 2008, so AGAIN get your facts right. I know it is a scandal that dull can have more USOs than faker and more USOs than Fed since 2008 but it is sad fact of life.

 

[Moxie]

crocodilovic

At last! The first evidence that you actually watch tennis. Yes, Djokovic changed his clothing sponsor. And that seems to be the top of your observational acumen, as to tennis.

 

[monfed]

Fed chokes like a hen vs faker in slams, that is the big problem for Fed and faker plays at 500% vs Fed and I won't be surprised if we see that at this year's Wimbledon and USO and knowing dull's luck I guarandamntee it that faker will be in Fed's half instead of Nadull's. You can quote me on that.